PostmodernProphet
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longest stretch of sustained unemployment
deterioration of US relations in the Middle East
increase in national debt
From Reagan to Trump: Reflecting on Three Disastrous Elections
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longest stretch of sustained unemployment
deterioration of US relations in the Middle East
increase in national debt
That's what I expected.
We'll take them one at a time.
Unemployment has existed in America since before the Founding.
It's not raw existence of unemployment, but per capita unemployment, the so called "unemployment rate" that matters.
When Senator Obama was inaugurated president, the Bush administration had been losing ~800K private sector jobs per month.
President Obama has been adding hundreds of thousands of private sector jobs per month for years.
So by quantifiable standards you are wrong on that point.
When the U.S. embassy staff in Tehran were taken hostage, it paralyzed the Carter administration for 444 days. They were not released until hours after the Reagan inauguration (not due to Reagan negotiation, but for Iranian spite).
When our U.S. military fast boats were captured in Iranian water in the Strait of Hormuz, they were returned w/ crew unharmed, in about 24 hours.
So by quantifiable standards you are wrong on that point too.
Amusing.
Governor Reagan campaigned against President Carter berating Carter for deficit spending.
Reagan promised to balance the budget, and pay down the debt.
But over the course of Reagan's administration, not only did he run up more U.S. $federal $debt than Carter did.
Reagan ran up more U.S. federal debt than all the other U.S. presidents before him, COMBINED !!
So much for your Republican demigod.
FYI, President Obama has NOT doubled the U.S. federal debt the way Reagan did.
Yet you parade the conspicuous absurdity that Obama was worse than Carter, hands down" DM #19
PREPOSTEROUS!!
OldMercsRule
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#1 Intentional partisan extra Constitutional destruction of the US healthcare system.
Massive financial costs which have doubled the National debt in 8 years, and ruined the healthcare of millions of Americans with massive increases in out of pocket costs.
#2 Demoralization and massive downsizing of US military while an Islamic Caliphate was allowed to spring to life and exist generating waves of Muslim refugees with imbedded terrorists brought to a neighborhood near you.
#3 Allowing Iran to continue to develop nuclear weapons, and providing Iran financing and illegal cash/hard currency for weapons development and terrorism.
Those are just the top three, this POTUS has many many more fails, (worst POTUS since James Buchanan).
Brain Food
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...and Bush 43 was worse than Obama. Your point?
OldMercsRule
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Bush 43 was far better then Obamaprompter.
By "extra Constitutional", perhaps you're referring to the "signing statements" standard that the Republican president before him beefed up.
By "destruction" I gather you mean getting millions more medical coverage that didn't have it before he took action.
brillig lists it as just shy of $20 $trillion. What was it on the day Obama was inaugurated?
Have costs increased? Perhaps.
Prove they'd not have increased further had Obama not intervened.
If you're active U.S. military I'll respect your opinion. I'm former U.S. military, and I'm delighted with the parsimony Obama has treated U.S. blood.
And regarding downsizing, the U.s. has a GDP.
If we want a more powerful military we can spend 100% GDP on it. FABULOUS !!
That will leave $zero% for everything else.
It's a whole pie.
The more we spend on military, the less we have for EVERYthing else.
The purpose of the U.S. military is to preserve U.S. sovereignty, and protect U.S. citizens and interests.
Had that protection failed; I'd agree with your criticism.
It hasn't.
I don't.
This isn't Sparta.
We needn't' spend more on military than it takes to accomplish its charter. Obama continues to succeed. Next!!
ISIL's ranking military commanders are former Saddam Iraq military commanders.
By firing them all when the U.S. took over, Bush / Cheney / Rumsfeld set the stage for that caliphate. IIRC Obama was opposed to Bush's U.S. military invasion & occupation of Iraq in the first place.
SO your blaming Obama for something he opposed, and would have prevented had he hadt he authority to do so.
read a newspaper!
Islamist terrorism is a global problem. There's a manhunt on in Germany right now for a Tunisian suspect in a mass-murder.
You blaming Obama for a condition that prevailed before he was inaugurated, and that will continue after Trump is inaugurated is silly. Convenient perhaps, but silly. Who do you think you're fooling?
The opposite is true, as corroborated by the other signatories to the treaty:
- China
- Russia
- Germany
- France
- U.K.
Portray Obama the fool in the matter all you like. FABULOUS!!
But for your allegation o have even the semblance of plausibility we would have to accept the notion that all the other signatories are also foolish.
That's not plausible. It's not even rational.
nope
I've debunked them all.
Care to try again?
Credit downgrade springs to mind
OldMercsRule
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No, I'm referring to Chief Justice Roberts finding that Obamacare was a massive tax increase, (which he is correct about IMHO), all tax bills must originate in the House.
If you know anything about the rule of law under this particular Constitution that forms the basis of this particular Republic, you would know what I meant by 'extra-Constitutional'.
No, by destruction, I'm referring to the 'death spiral' Obamacare is very clearly now in, where the pool of insured is shrinking and costs for all parties, (the insured, [who are dropping out, especially the healthy ones], insurance companies, [who are dropping out], and the gubment, [which is borrowing massive amounts of money to fund this entire mess]), are escalating rapidly.
If yer brain werks and you have minimal understanding of insurance, you would know exactly what I meant.
$10.6 trillion... burp...
The costs have gotten way outta control, that is why the healthy are dropping off, and insurance companies are dropping out.
It's called an 'insurance death spiral'.
You prove what ya wanna prove yersef: yer not my Momma.
I consider an Islamic caliphate that Obamaprompter allowed to be set up, run by terrorists who kill Americans a big fat fail, butt: I do have one functional brain cell, (do you have any brain function)?
One "Warthog", (A-10), coulda destroyed the entire column of Toyotas full of Islamo terrorists, on their way ta Mosul.
If Obamaprompter had minimal competence, (which he lacks), that woulda been easily done, and saved the whole world lots of grief.
What does military service have to do with the price of beans in Boston?
Are you a fruit loop?
BTW: thanks fer yer service.
ISIS sure is some great success: fruit loop.
When ya become POTUS, (from bein' a fruit fly back bencher community organizer who always voted 'present') ya need to deal with the hand yer holdin': fruit loop.
Obamaprompter's gross incompetence made ISIS much worse and the mass migration of displaced Muslims spreads the problem to a neighborhood near you.
You couldn't 'debunk' a plugged terlet: fruit loop.
Yer happy Iran has the money and now the authority to pursue nuclear weapons, so Obamaprompter is yer model Nobel prize winnin' POTUS.
You Liberal/Progressive/Marxist/Statist/Fascist termites are dumber then below average dirt.
And in a crushing blow to Republicans allowed ACA to remain the law of the land.
Social Security was by your standard "a massive tax increase". Therefore what?
It's quite an epitaph:
"President Obama, almost as bad as Reagan!"
Thanks for calling it to our attention.
And that rate of change is often quantified as a yearly increase expressed, quantified numerically as a percentage.
I don't recall reading any report that indicates ACA bent the cost curve upward.
A trend statistically recognizable in U.S. health-care costs before Obama was inaugurated. That's why Obama went w/ ACA.
And one U.S. President Bush (younger) has uncontested claim to, for reason I've already posted.
Obviously.
And he is.
But ISIL is not purely a U.S. problem, even if the U.S. Bush (younger) administration was a major factor in ISIL's creation.
It's not a mess the U.S. has sole duty to clean up, and the rest of the world can continue to play golf and canasta in leisure.
If you blame ISIL on Obama simply because Obama was in office at the time,
do you blame Bush for the attacks of 09/11/01? And the sub-prime mortgage meltdown which tanked our economy? That's YOUR standard.
Excellent.
Please name 3 decisions President Obama made which "made ISIS much worse", and what alternate decision the wise and benevolent President OR would have made instead which would have significantly reduced that harm.
Thanks.
This is a very familiar posting tactic.
When a poster can't refute a position I've taken, they concoct some preposterous position I've never hinted at; and then ridicule that, AS IF they're refuting a position I've taken.
Who do you think you're kidding?
I don't want to destabilize Earth with a nuclear Middle East arms race any more than you do. Why do YOU have a double-standard about it?
No.
I merely subscribe to some basic tenants of logic & plausibility, in this case Ockham's Razor.
If this deal seems worthwhile to a group as diverse as:
- The Obama administration
- China
- Russia
- Germany
- France
- U.K.
I suspect, I hope there's more talent there than there is at this recreational, amateur discussion site.
If you wish to fancy yourself superior to the combined diplomatic power of the nations listed above, be my guest.
In vivid contrast I'll confine my thought processes to more plausible, more conventional patterns of thought.
Whatever else may be true, we know Iran hasn't detonated nuclear weapons in war yet. Considering that was a deliberate intention of Secretary Kerry's in this matter, we'll have to consider this one a success.
OldMercsRule
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Murky said:
Yes Roberts finding Obamacare a tax that never originated in the House of Representatives as our Constitution requires was a big blow to the entire country, (not just Republicans). That is the reason the Republicans have won so much over the last two election cycles.
Is your brain so weak you can't stay on topic. WTF does Social Security have to do with anything?
You really are extra stupid aren't you? The debt has nearly doubled under the worst POTUS since James Buchanan, and all you can do is deflect with some comment about Reagan?
If you have even a pedestrian knowledge of insurance and bidness, (yer comments sure don't show anything), you would know that the health insurance companies wouldn't be pulling out of Obamacare if it was working. They are losing money, (which the US treasury has been picking up), butt: gubment support is phased out over time, and insurance companies aren't stupid. The massive premium and deductible increases has made the cost far too much for consumers, the healthy ones are dropping out. That is a death spiral. Marxists like Obamaprompter don't understand econ 101, and it is way above yer level of understanding as well.
Yeah I know: everything is George W Bush's fault. You are dumber then below average dirt.
#1 The fool pulled totally out of Iraq. #2 He let a mile long column of Toyotas that would have been an easy kill roll across the desert. #3 He diddled n' avoided making any decision as the caliphate grew. Only a clueless partisan with zero smarts, (dumber then below average dirt), would consider those acts of a truly great POTUS.
Cutting the throats of our Middle East allies, (Israel and the Arab Gulf states), and granting Iran nuclear status and providing the funding for weapons development and terrorism adventures isn't a posting trick: dummy.
It is one of the three primary reasons I gave in response to yer challenge about why Obamaprompter is such a massive fail.
I don't wanna reply to you again on this matter as we aren't gonna agree and yer posting style is very difficult to respond to. Please learn how to quote posts and try to stay on the topic.
Obamaprompter is the worst POTUS since James Buchanan.