Yet Another Question (actually 2 questions):

Ross Dolan

Ross Dolan

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I'm wondering how many people posting here in JPP want more work and less leisure time during what remains of their lifetimes.

So here are the two questions (One is just the converse of the other):

1) Without regard for any supposed need for money, do you wish that things work out so that you must do more work and have less leisure time during what remains of your lifetime?

2) Without regard for any supposed need for money, do you wish that things work out so that you have more leisure time and have to do less work during what remains of your lifetime?

If possible, I'd like you to answer #1 with a YES or NO; answer # 2 with a YES or NO...and add any comments you want to add after doing so.

Also if you truly do not care either way...just state that.

Thanks.
 
If I'm not productive in some way life is pretty boring and unsatisfying.

Leisure time gets old very fast.

That's just me. Your mileage may vary.
 
Joe said:
If I'm not productive in some way life is pretty boring and unsatisfying.

Leisure time gets old very fast.

That's just me. Your mileage may vary.
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You're not alone. I am running pretty fast toward retirement and not really happy about it. I like being useful. And I think it is something almost all Americans are raised with.

It's also why I find it so disheartening that so many Conservatives look down on the poor as if it couldn't happen to them. I just don't see enough horrible Americans who only want to suck off the government teat to toss everyone on welfare under the bus. I am pretty sure most Americans want to work. Want to have the pride. It's kind of who we are as a people. It's also what makes it easier for us to NOT use our vacation time as we get it (that and fear of being laid off).
 
Joe said:
If I'm not productive in some way life is pretty boring and unsatisfying.

Leisure time gets old very fast.

That's just me. Your mileage may vary.
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Thanks you for that, Joe.

If I can, though, I would hope to persuade you to actually answer the two questions.

Let me also mention, if I may, that "leisure time" does not have to be non-productive time.

If you are not at work (doing whatever it is you do to get the money to live a reasonable life)...you can clean the attic, cellar, and garage; landscape your property; wash and otherwise maintain your car, lawnmower, and tractor; write some poetry or prose; compose music; create art.,..or spend time with your kids teaching them to fish, golf, play tennis.

All of those things are a part of leisure time...and are very, very productive...thereby meeting what productive time does for you.
 
Joe said:
If I'm not productive in some way life is pretty boring and unsatisfying.

Leisure time gets old very fast.

That's just me. Your mileage may vary.
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Leisure time can be spent coaching youth sports or getting involved in the community. Being a benefit to society.

Hard to argue that doing so isn't 'productive'.

Of course, you believe that is a bad thing because the term 'society' sounds eerily similar to Socialism.
 
Ross Dolan said:
Thanks you for that, Joe.

If I can, though, I would hope to persuade you to actually answer the two questions.

Let me also mention, if I may, that "leisure time" does not have to be non-productive time.

If you are not at work (doing whatever it is you do to get the money to live a reasonable life)...you can clean the attic, cellar, and garage; landscape your property; wash and otherwise maintain your car, lawnmower, and tractor; write some poetry or prose; compose music; create art.,..or spend time with your kids teaching them to fish, golf, play tennis.

All of those things are a part of leisure time...and are very, very productive...thereby meeting what productive time does for you.
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Ok thanks. It seems the basic issue I was having with the question is what is considered leisure time.

There is a distinct difference between working for yourself and working for a wage for someone else.

Being self employed owning and operating a business for 30 plus years the perspective is different than when I worked for others.

Without getting into the weeds of the differences I would answer both questions no.
 
Althea said:
Leisure time can be spent coaching youth sports or getting involved in the community. Being a benefit to society.

Hard to argue that doing so isn't 'productive'.

Of course, you believe that is a bad thing because the term 'society' sounds eerily similar to Socialism.
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Funny you mention those particular things because I do coach youth sports. And am active in city government.

Both of which are more stressful than working at my business.
 
Joe said:
Funny you mention those particular things because I do coach youth sports. And am active in city government.

Both of which are more stressful than working at my business.
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Same here, but I never found coaching kids to be stressful. Frustrating at times, but I turned losers into champions. A great time was had by all.

I'm lucky to love the work I do in my business, but work will always be work. I'd rather fish, but try hauling a lot of equipment onto a frozen lake and see if it feels like 'work'.

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I have a little over 2 hours of duties a day, oasis upkeep, hound duty, and cooking.....the rest of my time is leisure and education. This is perfect.
 
Joe said:
Ok thanks. It seems the basic issue I was having with the question is what is considered leisure time.

There is a distinct difference between working for yourself and working for a wage for someone else.

Being self employed owning and operating a business for 30 plus years the perspective is different than when I worked for others.

Without getting into the weeds of the differences I would answer both questions no.
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Thanks again.

I just wrote a reply to this issue. It is here. You might take a look at it.

With that in mind, as for the two "NO's"...let me be sure I understand.

To the question: Without regard for any supposed need for money, do you wish that things work out so that you must do more work and have less leisure time during what remains of your lifetime?...

...you are responding NO..

And to the question: Without regard for any supposed need for money, do you wish that things work out so that you have more leisure time and have to do less work during what remains of your lifetime?...

...you are also responding NO.

You want neither more "leisure time" nor less.

Is that correct?
 
Ross Dolan said:
Thanks again.

I just wrote a reply to this issue. It is here. You might take a look at it.

With that in mind, as for the two "NO's"...let me be sure I understand.

To the question: Without regard for any supposed need for money, do you wish that things work out so that you must do more work and have less leisure time during what remains of your lifetime?...

...you are responding NO..

And to the question: Without regard for any supposed need for money, do you wish that things work out so that you have more leisure time and have to do less work during what remains of your lifetime?...

...you are also responding NO.

You want neither more "leisure time" nor less.

Is that correct?
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That is correct.

When you are self employed you make hay while the sun is shining and do other stuff when you have time. The balance has always seemed right to me because working for yourself makes the "work" much less tedious. No time clock. No one to satisfy except yourself. But you still have to crack the nut.

For instance today I worked at the shop until lunch then I went and hauled a load of gravel and excavated a road behind the shop. What is work and what is leisure? It all blends together in perfect harmony. Plus having my wife involved in all of it is a bonus.

And I'm building us a new house with my own hands in my spare time.
 
Althea said:
Same here, but I never found coaching kids to be stressful. Frustrating at times, but I turned losers into champions. A great time was had by all.

I'm lucky to love the work I do in my business, but work will always be work. I'd rather fish, but try hauling a lot of equipment onto a frozen lake and see if it feels like 'work'.

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I guess you're not coaching 13-14 year old girls. :ROFLMAO:

But when you see things happen at the end of a season the kids thought they couldn't do at the start it's really fulfilling.
 
Joe said:
I work hard and then relax in front of my laptop.
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I dont find JPP to be strictly leisure, there are a few people here I can learn from, and my time here also tends to be good for brain function...the language and logic centers get some workout.

Education and utility are not exactly leisure.
 
Damocles said:
I want to love my work so that what others would consider my work would really be leisure time to me. I don't want to retire, purpose is important to longevity.
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This. Everyone is wired differently. Some people count the years until they can retire. To others it never crosses their mind. But ultimately finding purpose seems to be one of the biggest drivers of happiness and living a fulfilling life.
 
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