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Mott the Hoople said:
Well so far your the only one to make a sane pont. Wishing something so doesn't make something work. That is true. It's as true of the private sector as it is of government. But answer me this, how can you trust someone to make something work when it is their belief that it should fail?
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where in the world did you ever get the belief that libertarians WANT government to fail? They want them to be small and non intrusive. Please tell me where the notion of failure entered in to the equation.
 
Superfreak said:
Or perhaps you could simply ignore the hyperbole and not whine about it?

Or perhaps you could simply let us know what portion of a persons post you find to be bullshit so that we don't have to guess what you mean?
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So, you had a hard time discerning which part of disloyal's post sounded like a bullshit lie? Sorry to hear that...

Everyone else, between A or B below, which sounded more like a lie?

A)...The part where she claims the Post Office is inefficient?

Or...

B)...The part where she says they made her use a specific length of tape in order to cut costs and refused to giver her more?

FreakyDeaky had a hard time figuring out which comment I was referring to...
 
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SmarterThanYou said:
where in the world did you ever get the belief that libertarians WANT government to fail? They want them to be small and non intrusive. Please tell me where the notion of failure entered in to the equation.
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because he equates libertarianism with anarchy. I'm not fully versed on all libertarianism stands for but I've never read any libertarian saying we don't need a government.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
So, you had a hard time discerning which part of disloyal's post sounded like a bullshit lie? Sorry to hear that...

Everyone else, between A or B below, which sounded more like a lie?

A)...The part where she claims the Post Office is inefficient?

Or...

B)...The part where she says they made her use a specific length of tape in order to cut costs and refused to giver her more?

FreakyDeaky had a hard time figuring out which comment I was referring to...
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No moron....

You were calling bullshit on her post. One part you had the ability to verify (the profitability of the USPS). The other part you have NO WAY of knowing or proving that it was bullshit.

Sorry for assuming that you weren't ignorant enough to be proclaiming something bullshit that you had no way of verifying. You corrected me on that... you are indeed that fucking retarded.
 
cawacko said:
because he equates libertarianism with anarchy. I'm not fully versed on all libertarianism stands for but I've never read any libertarian saying we don't need a government.
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exactly.... it is like someone saying 'I want to reform SS' and the left immediately proclaims that you are 'trying to steal money from old people'.

He does it because it is the standard scare tactic used by his masters against anyone who would dare suggest the status quo of more government involvement is not a good idea. If you are against the government being involved in some aspects of our lives then you MUST be for no government at all.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Okay, so what you REALLY meant is that you are mad because the Post Office won't give you as much packing taps as you want, for FREE.

Cry me a river...since when it it the Post Office's job to provide you with the supplies, free of charge, necessary to mail a package?
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Zapless. You've already proven yourself a complete and total dumbass. Now that you've stepped in your own shit, far be it from me to not let you roll in it.

Proceed schitschtick
 
Superfreak said:
oh... my fault then... I didn't realize the TAPE was the issue. I am sure we can now get to proving how much tape they gave her. thanks for clearing that up.
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The tape wasn't the issue. It was the postal clerk saying they were so far in the red they couldn't even afford to hand out 9" of packing tape. Also to underscore the umitigated gall to even suggest the US Postal service is anything close to something the government "runs well".


Zappa has stepped in and he keeps trying to wipe his feet off.

Another blown opportunity and he's literally wetting his pants he's so pissed.
 
usaloyal2theend said:
The tape wasn't the issue. It was the postal clerk saying they were so far in the red they couldn't even afford to hand out 9" of packing tape. Also to underscore the umitigated gall to even suggest the US Postal service is anything close to something the government "runs well".


Zappa has stepped in and he keeps trying to wipe his feet off.

Another blown opportunity and he's literally wetting his pants he's so pissed.
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That's it...deflect from the ridiculous lie you told earlier...it's all you can do really.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
The Postal Service, Building infrastructure, such as the Interstate Highway system, hydroelectric power generating dams, flood control, national defense, education....shall I continue?

Now, would you please answer my question?
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I don't know how it works in the US but he Royal Mail lost its monopoly on delivering mail and surprise surprise the private companies have cherry picked the profitable bits and left the loss making rural deliveries alone.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
That's it...deflect from the ridiculous lie you told earlier...it's all you can do really.
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Zappa you're too big to pull out of this one. You've already shown your huge dimpled ass.

I'd tell you to move along, but this is really all you can do.

Try some finger lifts, but don't get too winded.
 
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cawacko said:
And why do many people from around the world come to the U.S. to receive the best service possible of other countries healthcare are equal or better than ours?
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The same reason people stay at 4-star hotels even though Tom Bodet leaves the light on. Most countries with universal plans have the same or higher life expectancy as the US.

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cawacko said:
Ok, since you two have such a freaking hard on.

Look at the economys of any other countries that offer universal healthcare. Do any of them match our economy? And you two really believe they don't have rationing and economic issues providing healthcare? And why do many people from around the world come to the U.S. to receive the best service possible of other countries healthcare are equal or better than ours?
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Mott the Hoople said:
I fail to see the relevence of your comment. Constitutionality aside, the point is, government runs the military more affectively then any private sector organization can and we can also say the same thing about our public infrastructure and our public education.
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Again. Until there is some government that hires it out, we don't know that. It may very well be that Blackwater is more efficient than our regular military. In fact it is likely.

And no, that was my point and the relevance of my post, we can't. They claim a monopoly by right of power, but every example shows that the private sector does it better and more efficiently. Even roads and schools are done better in each example I gave.
 
Damocles said:
Again. Until there is some government that hires it out, we don't know that. It may very well be that Blackwater is more efficient than our regular military. In fact it is likely.

And no, that was my point and the relevance of my post, we can't. They claim a monopoly by right of power, but every example shows that the private sector does it better and more efficiently. Even roads and schools are done better in each example I gave.
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So you would want Blackwater to run the Airforce and the Navy as well?
 
tom prendergast said:
So you would want Blackwater to run the Airforce and the Navy as well?
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If "efficiency" was the only goal I might be able to see that, but that, of course, wasn't my point nor is it the only goal of the military. My point was that each of his examples did not show that the government was more efficient at any of them.

I did mention in that post that the constitution absolutely gives the government power over the military, and that is where I think it should stay.
 
Damocles said:
If "efficiency" was the only goal I might be able to see that, but that, of course, wasn't my point nor is it the only goal of the military. My point was that each of his examples did not show that the government was more efficient at any of them.

I did mention in that post that the constitution absolutely gives the government power over the military, and that is where I think it should stay.
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My God, are you serious? Blackwater is a disgusting organisation.

http://crooksandliars.com/logan-murphy/sworn-testimony-ex-blackwater-employe
 
tom prendergast said:
I believe that Blue Cross is supposed to be a non-profit organisation.

http://www.carrborocitizen.com/main/2007/03/29/flux-up-yonder/
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