Yes, Texas’s Blackouts Are The Result Of Unreliable ‘Green’ Energy

That is true with any Wind Power generation, but Wind is only one source, though it is fairly reliable, Solar is another source and sunshine is not in short suply here. Hence why I have and others have small solar systems to provide extra energy, I run both my Barn and Workshop on it but also have grid power running to both though I never needed it since I simply do not use that much power in either.

Intermittent, or nonessential use is fine for solar and wind where they can fill those niches. What isn't acceptable is having a large part of your overall, continuous demand supplied by them.

No one is seriously talking about closing our gas powered generation facilities, that simply is not feasable at this point in time, but having alternative sources of power available helps reduce costs and provides supplemental power when needed, I see nothing wrong with that.

It isn't feasible on a cost basis ever! Solar and wind are simply too unreliable to be used to generate base load power. The need to install incredibly massive storage facilities to even begin to attempt to make up for their unreliability argues against their use. Even worse, the need for duplication of power production by other means argues even more strongly against them. Why build a solar or wind farm at all if the need can be met by reliable nuclear (equally non air polluting) or natural gas (close to non air polluting)?

Wind and solar simply are a waste of money to build for large scale commercial generation. Dump both.
 
Diesel engines can be cold started. The two usual ways are:

For smaller ones, ether is used

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Keep a can in the backhoe just in case.

The other common one for larger diesel engines, particularly fixed installations, is compressed air.
...and fuel preheaters.
 
That is true with any Wind Power generation, but Wind is only one source, though it is fairly reliable,
Not really. Wind doesn't blow fast enough to generate power some days. It blows too hard on other days. Hot days produce less power due to thinner air. Wind generators are piddle power.
Solar is another source and sunshine is not in short suply here.
Sunshine is in short supply every night. Solar panels are also affected by snow cover, leaf cover, degradation, insect and bird damage (or other critter), algae and moss damage (in more humid environments especially), sand damage (typical in desert installations), and damage by UV light to wiring.

Ballasting systems such as batteries have a narrow range of operating temperatures and they also degrade over time.

Hence why I have and others have small solar systems to provide extra energy,
Bully for you.Your subsidy means I paid for it.
I run both my Barn and Workshop on it but also have grid power running to both though I never needed it since I simply do not use that much power in either.
I don't live in my barn or shed either. Big deal.
No one is seriously talking about closing our gas powered generation facilities, that simply is not feasable at this point in time,
Yes they are,and it's illegal. Fascism is illegal in the United States.
but having alternative sources of power available helps reduce costs and provides supplemental power when needed, I see nothing wrong with that.
Wind is the 2nd most expensive method to produce power, watt for watt. Solar is the most expensive. If you want to waste money on these systems, fine. Subsidies and tax credits mean I am paying for your expensive hobby, not just you. But only you benefit.
 
Ya know, if you weren't so stuck on stupidity and ignorance, I'd continue this conversation. But I am so up to here, with you alternative fact Trump nuts....4 years of you people is 4 years too damn many. You people are literally exhausting to say the least

Insult fallacies. TDS. No argument presented.
 
Going without electricity is an energy crash.
So every time I turn off a light that's an energy crash???
You do not get to say what is and is not.
Neither do you. Who made YOU king?
The crash was caused by dereg
What crash?
and not hardening the grid
Power distribution lines do not need hardening.
and energy production to withstand cold weather.
Coal, oil,and natural gas power plants do not need hardening, and run just fine in cold weather.
We allow corporations to run things and this is what we get.
Right. You want to ban corporations because they are EVIL. Go fuck yourself.
You want to ban cheap steel, cheap gasoline, computers so cheap you can have several in your home, aluminum so cheap we can use it for packaging, people building houses and businesses, people building cars, including electric cars,and people that build wind generators and solar cells. You want to ban the all because they produced by corporations.
The Texas grid was the only one that crashed.
It didn't crash.
El Paso,Texas did not suffer from the CRASH.
What crash?
They were on a better grid.
There is no 'better grid'.
 
As Texas entered a deep freeze on Feb. 14, Dallas, Austin and San Antonio broke seven record lows over three days. Ice-laden trees snapped power lines. Wind turbines ground to a halt while some reliable natural gas, coal and nuclear plants failed to get energy to the grid. Electricity demand hit an all-time high – but the supply wasn’t available, plunging some four million Texans into the cold and darkness.

As massive gas-powered turbines spun down across Texas and the lights went out, an aggressive narrative spun up: the electric grid failed in Texas, not because wind and solar failed, but due to a lack of regulatory power to force the electric industry – from natural gas producers to pipeline operators to power generators, and lastly, the transmission line firms – to winterize. It was a failure of Texas’ unregulated free market. And further, this extreme weather event was a harbinger of more to come due to climate change, necessitating even more wind and solar power.

This narrative, pushed out by the renewable industry and environmentalists, found a sympathetic mouthpiece in corporate media.

The narrative is wrong.

There are three electric grids in the continental U.S with Texas having its own grid providing power to about 90% of Texans. This electrical independence allows Texans to escape a certain amount of federal meddling in its electric affairs – though it also makes Texans largely responsible for their own problems.

Addressing those problems, the Texas Legislature held marathon hearings a week after the freeze. That testimony, and an increasing flow of information from operators on the ground, has produced a more complete picture of what went wrong during a storm that plunged Texas into a deep freeze colder than most of Alaska.

There are two general reasons for Texas’ prolonged power outages, one proximate to the storm and involving a series of on-the-ground mistakes and cold-related failures, and one the result of long-term policy.

However, it was the policy failures over 20 years that allowed the storm-related failures to become persistent and deadly.

It’s important to note that had every Texas generator powered by natural gas, coal, nuclear and hydro operated at full output during the height of the storm’s demand, Texas still would have experienced planned blackouts. That Texas’ grid has become increasingly dependent on unreliable wind and solar is largely to blame for this critical shortfall.

Federal and state tax policy have encouraged the overbuilding of wind, and to a lesser extent, solar power, resulting in cheap, subsidized power flooding the Texas grid. This inexpensive but unreliable power has acted as a powerful disincentive to build needed natural gas power plants.

In the past five years, Texas saw an increase of about 20,000 megawatts of installed wind and solar capacity with a net loss of 4,000 megawatts of gas and coal-fired powerplants. This 4,000 megawatts, had it been built or not prematurely retired, would have saved lives during the 2021 St. Valentine’s Day Storm.

Because ERCOT, Texas’ grid operator, didn’t have enough reliable safety margin meant that when things started to go wrong on early Monday morning, they got worse fast.

So, did the unusually cold weather cause power plant failures?

Winter isn’t over, but Texas – and California and other Western states – are at increased risk of blackouts this summer.

We know that wind turbines were affected, with half of them freezing up. Over the course of 2019, Texas wind produced about 34% of its capacity – from hour-to-hour and season-to-season, sometimes more than 70%, sometimes close to zero. At one point during the storm, solar was producing no electricity while wind produced about 1% of its potential output. Since electricity must be produced the moment it is needed, that meant that natural gas power plants had to make up the shortfall.

The emerging data from thermal – gas, coal, and nuclear – power plants suggests that there were some cold-related failures. But, as ERCOT struggled to keep the lights on, the grid became unstable, tripping additional power plants offline to protect their massive generators from destructive interaction with a fluctuating line frequency.

As ERCOT issued the order to start load shedding – rotating blackouts – some of the darkened circuits included vital oil and gas infrastructure. This uncoordinated move starved natural gas power plants of their fuel – leading to a further loss of power and the widespread and incorrect rumor that wellhead and pipeline freeze off contributed to the disaster.

When these systems lost power, gas production dropped 75%. An Obama-era environmental rule that forced oilfield compressors to switch from natural gas to electric likely made things worse. Eventually, power was restored, and natural gas production ramped back up to meet electricity generation demand.

Winter isn’t over, but Texas – and California and other Western states – are at increased risk of blackouts this summer. This is due to policy that favors unreliables – wind and solar – over reliable electricity from gas, coal and nuclear.

In Texas, it’s an overbuilding of wind. In California, an overbuilding of mandated solar. In both states, this has caused the grid to become increasingly at risk of blackouts at times when nature doesn’t cooperate.

As America builds more wind and solar – with a renewed push from the Biden administration –the costs to prevent blackouts will mount in the form of massive battery farms to store power or increasingly large numbers of backup gas power plants. Instead, we should end subsidies for all energy sources while making wind and solar pay for the reliability costs they impose on the grid.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/texas-blackouts-why-happened-truth-chuck-devore
 
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Here’s what really happened: the vast majority of our fossil fuel power plants continued running smoothly, just as they do in far colder climates across the world. Power plant infrastructure is designed for cold weather and rarely freezes, unlike wind turbines that must be specially outfitted to handle extreme cold.

It appears that ERCOT, Texas’s grid operator, was caught off guard by how soon demand began to exceed supply. Failure to institute a managed rolling blackout before the grid frequency fell to dangerously low levels meant some plants had to shut off to protect their equipment. This is likely why so many power plants went offline, not because they had failed to maintain operations in the cold weather.

Fucking stupid. Texas gets about 20% of it's power from wind turbines and they lost about half of that to the freeze, about 10%. Shutdowns to coal fired and natural gas facilities amounted to over 30% of their power supply. That's a simple fact that anyone who wants to discuss the subject should know. Not right wing shitheads, they just spout what they would like to be true as though it is fact. By the way, Minnesota gets about 20% of their power from wind turbines too and they never freeze, why do you suppose that is?
 
Considering that ERCOT admits that they came with in a whisker of losing the grid completely that seems like a very good bet. These fucks turned up totally incompetent. Did all the guys who know how to manage an electric grid retire?

The guys managing the grid were heros, without their handling of the situation Texas would still be without power.
 
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Texas: Time To Get Rid Of This Ridiculous Wind Power

Texas. It is the number one energy producing state in the United States. It is both the largest producer of oil, and the largest producer of natural gas, and has been for decades. Texas also has abundant coal reserves. It has been ground zero of the fracking revolution, which has revolutionized oil and gas production, vastly increased supplies, driven prices down by around two-thirds since 2014, and turned the U.S. into a net energy exporter for the first time in decades. By all rights, Texas should be the shining beacon of fossil fuel energy abundance for everyone else to envy.

And yet in Texas this week, there has been a good blast of cold air, accompanied by some meaningful ice and snow storms, and suddenly Texas finds itself with widespread power blackouts covering much of the state. Although the levels of cold and ice have been somewhat unusual, they have also been well within the range of historical experience. Meanwhile, other states farther north have been colder and have had more snow and more ice and yet the power has not gone out. What gives?

The simple answer is that despite its great abundance of fossil fuel energy, Texas nevertheless fell big for the ridiculous scam of trying to produce a high percentage of its electricity from wind. Yes, the story is somewhat more complicated than that, as stories always are. But not much more complicated. Basically, with its grid stressed in many ways in the past week, the wind was useless to carry the load that needed to be carried.

The Wall Street Journal in an editorial today collects some basic data from Texas as to electricity supply capacity and usage. Total winter generation capacity for the state is about 83 GW, while peak winter usage is about 57 GW. That’s a margin of over 45% of capacity over peak usage. In a fossil-fuel-only or fossil-fuel-plus-nuclear system, where all sources of power are dispatchable, a margin of 20% would be considered normal, and 30% would be luxurious. This margin is well more than that. How could that not be sufficient?

The answer is that Texas has gone crazy for wind. About 30 GW of the 83 GW of capacity are wind. That means that even if all the fossil fuel and nuclear facilities are running at full tilt, you still need at least some wind at all times. And the fossil-fuel and nuclear facilities are not going to run all the time at full tilt. You are going to have scheduled outages, and also breakdowns from time to time. That’s why you would like to have a margin of up to 30%. It turns out that the cold weather and icy conditions brought some serious breakdowns on the fossil fuel side.

So how how did the wind do at covering the gaps? The answer is, it’s completely useless. From the WSJ:

Winds this past month have generated between about 600 and 22,500 MW. Regulators don’t count on wind to provide much more than 10% or so of the grid’s total capacity since they can’t command turbines to increase power like they can coal and gas plants.

Yes, sometimes the wind turbines only generate at a rate of 600 MW — which is about 2% of their capacity. And you never know when that’s going to be.

Texas has its own electrical grid, run by something called the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT). ERCOT of course is probably the single most responsible entity for Texas getting into a situation of great over-reliance on intermittent wind energy. Thus it is not surprising that ERCOT is spinning like a top to try to make it look like its own bad bet on wind energy has not been the main cause of the current disaster. The official line is that the “great majority” of power facility “outages” in Texas over the past week have been other than wind facilities. For example, here we have an article from Renewable Energy Magazine today with the headline “ERCOT finds that frozen wind turbines were the least significant factor in Texas blackouts.” Excerpt:

The Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) has released data showing that the vast majority of power plant outages in Texas were gas-fired generators. As multiple experts have documented, the vast majority of power plant capacity outages in Texas are at gas generators.

Got it? The wind facilities are not having an “outage” (except some that are frozen solid, but that’s a small percent); it’s just that the wind doesn’t blow when you need it. Somehow, that doesn’t count against wind turbines.

There’s no avoiding the basic defect here, which is that they have peak usage of 57 GW, and only 53 GW of dispatchable capacity. The right way to look at this is that for 57 GW of peak usage you need 70 or so GW of dispatchable capacity to cover outages, planned and unplanned. The wind turbines? They are just for decoration. If you are going to go with only 53 GW of dispatchable capacity, then you are counting on 15 or even 20 GW of wind capacity to come online when things go wrong. Otherwise, the investment in wind power is just wasted money. In the case of Texas, that’s many tens of billions of dollars.

You might also be interested in how the New York Times today is spinning this story. Here is an excerpt from their front page piece today:

As climate change accelerates, many electric grids will face extreme weather events that go far beyond the historical conditions those systems were designed for, putting them at risk of catastrophic failure.

Their narrative is not disturbed at all by the fact that this was a cold versus warm weather event. It’s climate change!

https://www.manhattancontrarian.com...time-to-get-rid-of-this-ridiculous-wind-power

Bullshit. Wind turbines are nothing like the wind turbines that states who aren't fucking stupid put in place. How come they don't freeze up in more northern clines? Minnesota gets 20% of their power from wind turbines and they never freeze.
Unregulated and ignorant republican shitheads are the reason for the texas power outage.
 
The guys managing the grid were heros, without their handling of the situation Texas would still be without power.

They mostly failed, they could not manage rolling blackouts, they did not do it right, so the grid became unstable. That is why they had to go to putting people in the dark for 7 and 10 hours like my brother suffered, it was supposed to be 2 hours max as I recall.
 
WRONG, the Natural Gas power generation generators froze up in many cases, it is because very little of it was actually winterized. Neithe r you or the OP have the slightest clue what happened here in Texas.

Precisely! And they weren't winterized and the wind turbines not protected because the ignorant shitheads running Texas refuse to believe what science has been telling them for years. Now those same rightwing shitheads make excuses for their stupidly and all the other rightwing shitheads swallow it as the truth. It's worthless trying to tell them anything.
 
Why don't you read the excellent article I posted, you might just learn something.

Because the fact of the matter is the loss of a few wind turbines is NOT why Texas was in trouble, it simply isn't. They lose about 10% of their power from wind and 35% from oil and gas and you fucking point your finger at the wind turbines? That is fucking stupid. But someone can easily spout propaganda that ignorant rightwing shitheads such as yourself will believe.
 
dig deeper why wern't rolling blackouts enough to save the power outages?

It must have been because they lost 10% of their power generated from the wind. The fact they lost 35% of their power from oil and gas plants could not have anything to do with it huh? You are a fucking moron.
 
Precisely! And they weren't winterized and the wind turbines not protected because the ignorant shitheads running Texas refuse to believe what science has been telling them for years. Now those same rightwing shitheads make excuses for their stupidly and all the other rightwing shitheads swallow it as the truth. It's worthless trying to tell them anything.

They weren't protected against meteorites, asteroids or aliens either. Don't know how many fucking times I have to say this, Houston is actually one degree south of Cairo and their wind turbines aren't weathered proofed against extreme cold either ffs! Anyway thanks for giving me another name to add to Kunt Korner!
 
A good way to put it too. Wind generators cannot operate in conditions that are icy, conditions that are too hot, conditions that are too windy, or conditions where it is not windy enough.
Solar cannot operate in conditions of snow cover, leaf cover, at nighttime (when power demand is higher).
Ballasting (such as batteries) is expensive and does not last long, and effectively leave LESS power when it IS being produced because some of has to go charge the ballast.

Wind is the 2nd most expensive power produced, watt for watt, with solar being the most expensive.
Coal, oil, natural gas, hydroelectric and even nuclear power is far cheaper, watt for watt.

If you look at a wind farm, there are NO large power lines coming out of it. They tend to look like a normal distribution line, such as you might see on a typical street. Large high tension lines DO come right out of a SINGLE nuclear plant or coal plant.

Minnesota gets 20% of their power from the wind and their turbines never fucking freeze asshole. You are wrong, Texas turbines froze because rightwing legislators in Texas are fucking stupid, that's why they froze.
 
Nope. We don't use fossils for fuel. Fossils don't burn. Coal, oil, and natural are good examples of excellent fuel sources where hydroelectric is not available.
Freezing temperature do not disable coal, oil, or natural gas plants.

Bullshit they just did and wind turbines don't freeze up unless they are in Texas.
 
Because the fact of the matter is the loss of a few wind turbines is NOT why Texas was in trouble, it simply isn't. They lose about 10% of their power from wind and 35% from oil and gas and you fucking point your finger at the wind turbines? That is fucking stupid. But someone can easily spout propaganda that ignorant rightwing shitheads such as yourself will believe.

Fuck you shit for brains, 50% of the turbines were damaged, iced up or out of service, ignorant cunt!
 
Winterizing Texas for an unprecedented winter storm is like installing flood defenses on the peak of Mount Everest.

Could it be done? Yes.

Might a flood someday strike the peak of Mount Everest? Yes.

In either case, is it prudent and economically feasible to purchase, install and maintain equipment that had never been needed in recorded history?

And there you have the reason why Texas had such a blackout, fucking stupidly of the rightwing running the place.
 
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