Yes, Texas’s Blackouts Are The Result Of Unreliable ‘Green’ Energy

[Into the Night]

I gave you a link. Do YOU have one claiming something different?

I link is not a proof, dumbass. Try to stay on topic. This thread is about the Texas cold and how it's affecting power lines, not about the size of the SOTC economy.

 

[Into the Night]

Thanks for the warning. That was the report from energy experts and ERCOT that runs the system. Moisture in the gas caused problems with pumps and diesel engines.

And I'm not a lefty.

There is insufficient moisture in natural gas pipelines. Diesel engines have no problem with cold temperatures.

 

[Into the Night]

Texas is under a winter storm warning for the first time in history

This is ignoring the Texas blizzard in 1929. Back then they called a 'blizzard warning'. The National Weather Service updates they terminology from time to time.

 

[Into the Night]

Trump taught us that well

Trump wasn't dictating science.

 

[Into the Night]

El Paso did not suffer a blackout. When the frigid spell of 2011 hit Texas, they did not want their people to suffer again. So they winterized their system. They also are connected to the scary western grid. What happened to the rest of the state was due to privatized electricity, profit-taking, and compliant politicians.

There is no 'western grid'.

 

[Legion]

Trump

 

[Into the Night]

The point is the power failures resulted from failure to winterize both the ten percent of the grid powered by wind and the ninety percent powered by fossil fuels.

Fossils aren't used as fuel. Fossils don't burn.

Get a grip. The entire Right, which can't help itself from making politics out of everything, needs to get a grip.

Inversion fallacy. You are talking about Democrats.

 

[Legion]

This is ignoring the Texas blizzard in 1929. Back then they called a 'blizzard warning'. The National Weather Service updates they terminology from time to time.

Apparently we need to demand that all sunbelt states spend huge sums of money to winterize power systems that are only affected every 90 years or so.

 

[Jack]

I link is not a proof, dumbass. Try to stay on topic. This thread is about the Texas cold and how it's affecting power lines, not about the size of the SOTC economy.

Do you actually read the progression of a Thread and how it usually rabbit-trails off into other discussions?

 

[Hawkeye10]

They don't shut down. There's no reason to. All coolant plumbing is inside the building with the boiler.

Coal plants were also dealing with frozen equipment. Medlock said many of the coal plant closures were caused by feed water needed to run the facility’s steam turbine technology freezing, making it impossible to run the plants.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/gas-coal-offline-texas-cold-snap

I am having a hard time getting my head around the claim that water lines froze up, and that fast. This is not hard at all to prevent.

 

[Into the Night]

Do you actually read the progression of a Thread and how it usually rabbit-trails off into other discussions?

Off topic. Try to stay on topic.

 

[Into the Night]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/gas-coal-offline-texas-cold-snap

I am having a hard time getting my head around the claim that water lines froze up, and that fast. This is not hard at all to prevent.

You are correct here. Boilers are fired by either the heat coming from a nuclear reaction or by the burning of coal, oil, natural gas, or even wood.
Boilers boil water. That water is above freezing as a result. The resulting steam is sent through plumbing to perform some work such as turning a turbine or shoving on a piston. That work reduces the energy in the water, allowing it to cool. It's still steam, but ready to condense out as liquid water (which takes a bit of time). Condensers give it this time. That water is not returned to the boiler and injected using a double venturi injector. It's a pretty simple system, really. No moving parts (other than the turbine. Even the injector has no moving parts. The boiler itself is the pump. In one form or another, Man has been using this exact system since the steam locomotive was popular.

Earlier steam engines used valves that WERE moving parts, and valves were used on steam locomotives as well, but these operate in a steam or hot water environment. Turbines don't need 'em.

You can start a steam engine even if you begin with all the water totally frozen (assuming the plumbing isn't damaged). The return lines are melted with the steam right there inside the plumbing. It takes awhile of course, but it will melt all the water in the lines and function as always.

 

[Jack]

Off topic. Try to stay on topic.

Translation: 'No'.

 

[Jack]

You are correct here. Boilers are fired by either the heat coming from a nuclear reaction or by the burning of coal, oil, natural gas, or even wood.
Boilers boil water. That water is above freezing as a result. The resulting steam is sent through plumbing to perform some work such as turning a turbine or shoving on a piston. That work reduces the energy in the water, allowing it to cool. It's still steam, but ready to condense out as liquid water (which takes a bit of time). Condensers give it this time. That water is not returned to the boiler and injected using a double venturi injector. It's a pretty simple system, really. No moving parts (other than the turbine. Even the injector has no moving parts. The boiler itself is the pump. In one form or another, Man has been using this exact system since the steam locomotive was popular.

Earlier steam engines used valves that WERE moving parts, and valves were used on steam locomotives as well, but these operate in a steam or hot water environment. Turbines don't need 'em.

You can start a steam engine even if you begin with all the water totally frozen (assuming the plumbing isn't damaged). The return lines are melted with the steam right there inside the plumbing. It takes awhile of course, but it will melt all the water in the lines and function as always.

Wow! Are any Pumps used to feed the fuel that boils the water?
Any Pumps used to feed the water into the Boiler?

And ... is 'electricity' used in any of this?

 

[archives]

Apparently we need to demand that all sunbelt states spend huge sums of money to winterize power systems that are only affected every 90 years or so.

Ah, no one is demanding anything, but if Texas had learned from the past, as early as ten years ago, they wouldn’t be in the bind they are in now.

”30 years of warnings to winterize Texas power plants, yet they still froze”
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/l...e-it/287-20540908-dbce-4e17-90a3-19aa4f4f4690

https://www.ferc.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/08-16-11-report.pdf
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/17/texas-power-grid-failures/
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/bu...d-again-faces-scrutiny-over-cold-15955392.php
https://www.startribune.com/texas-needs-to-learn-to-help-itself/600024698/

 

[Jack]

ITN: "You can start a steam engine even if you begin with all the water totally frozen (assuming the plumbing isn't damaged). The return lines are melted with the steam right there inside the plumbing. It takes awhile of course, but it will melt all the water in the lines and function as always."

^This is probably the stupidest statement ever made on JPP.^

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

 

[Legion]

Ah, no one is demanding anything, but if Texas had learned from the past, as early as ten years ago, they wouldn’t be in the bind they are in now.

IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF

Apparently we need to demand that all sunbelt states spend huge sums of money to winterize power systems that are only affected every 90 years or so.

The meaning of "apparently we need to" seems to have escaped Anchovies.

Apparently it's not that Anchovies can't read; it's that Anchovies can't think.

Poor Anchovies.

What kind of moron habitually prefaces their imbecilic inanities with "ah"?

This kind:

Ah.

Poor Anchovies.

 

[Sailor]

I gave you a link. All you have is insults.

All you have is a link that is nowhere near current or accurate. Kind of sums up your whole life I see.

 

[Bulletbob]

Poor AOC. Always getting the shaft.

she likes the shaft