Yep, gay marriage will definitely ruin the institution of marriage </sarcasm>

bravo said:
Thats quite a statistic, especially if its anywhere near true......

well.., the only excuse I can offer is, the US is home to a large number of liberal assholes (50%+) that think that killing children for their own convenience before birth, is just and necessary, so there is no reason to imagine that a little thing like the actual birth will stop them from killing children for their own convenience even after their birth....

Simple logic....
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liberals have abortions, conservatives kill their children

the above is just as bad as saying all (fill in the blank ) do (fill in the blank ) and just as bad as your comment

or would you prefer this, liberals kill their children in utero and conservative wait until they are born

good grief :palm:
 
apple0154 said:
Opened their wallet? Gave their time? You closet Marxist, you!!! :lol:

As for killing them in the womb there is no "them".

A woman usually knows she's pregnant by the end of the second month. Do you honestly believe something 3/4 of an inch long is a human being? How can anyone justify allowing the process to continue which may result in the birth of a child and subjecting that child to what we see in the video? The hunger. The disease. The squalid conditions.

As for what I do for those particular children...nothing. It's like trying to plug a damn with ones finger. I believe a better approach is to condemn the governments and religious institutions that prevent the distribution of birth control and the services of abortion.

There are politicians who don't want international aid going to Planned Parenthood and being used for abortion. While it's noble to try and help the children I believe the emphasis should be placed on preventing those children from coming into the world in the first place and that's done in the voting booth and writing ones representative.
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there cannot be all that many abortions as the world population now exceeds 7 billion

there is a group that does earn my respect, it provides, prenatal, natal and post natal care for mother and child and adoptive services for an unwanted child - this is a pro-life group and it needs the cooperation of the mother

as for bringing another unwanted child into this world, to me that is a crime
 
Thor said:
What is the solution, to kill them in the womb? The Christian Children's Fund is obviously doing their part to make the world a better place for children. I myself sponsor two children, one in Bolivia and another in Haiti. I'm not trying to be rude, especially since you're someone I respect - but I must ask, what do you do for these children, Apple?

If everyone in the western world voluntarily opened their wallets, whether it be through micro loans, sponsoring children/families, or giving their time (whether secular or religious in nature), the remainder of the world would be a much better place, I assure you that.
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generally i agree with you but i think that opening your wallet for birth control would be a better solution
 
Damocles said:
I think it is more often based on how the different gender roles add to a child's development. You learn things from your mother that you do not learn from your father, and of course vice versa...
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you forgot to mention learning things from grandparents, aunts and uncles and brothers and sisters and other family members

until world families decided to go their separate ways after leaving home (due to advances in transportation) raising children was often a family and neighborhood affair
 
Schadenfreude said:
there cannot be all that many abortions as the world population now exceeds 7 billion

there is a group that does earn my respect, it provides, prenatal, natal and post natal care for mother and child and adoptive services for an unwanted child - this is a pro-life group and it needs the cooperation of the mother

as for bringing another unwanted child into this world, to me that is a crime
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Liberals have 'unwanted children' ...... Conservatives have "unplanned children"......

Were all your children "planned'....were you "planned" by your mama....were all of your grandchildren "planned".....its a rhetorical question but if you answer yes to them....
you a freakin' liar.


Generally.....Conservatives deal with cards they are dealt in life.....liberals whine about everything and blame everyone but themselves for their lit in life.
 
bravo said:
Liberals have 'unwanted children' ...... Conservatives have "unplanned children"......

Were all your children "planned'....were you "planned" by your mama....were all of your grandchildren "planned".....its a rhetorical question but if you answer yes to them....
you a freakin' liar.


Generally.....Conservatives deal with cards they are dealt in life.....liberals whine about everything and blame everyone but themselves for their lit in life.
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my brothers and i were planned

my brother's children were planned

two of my brother's wife's grandchildren were unplanned

no abortions in the family

my brother's wife was unplanned

one of our grandchildren that was unplanned happened after our daughter's doctor told her she could not get pregnant

life is what happens sometimes when you are not paying attention
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
The level of child abuse in the US is three times that of Canada and is the worst in the developed world, with Texas being the top offender. North Carolina has the worst record for mothers killing their own children.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15288865
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15288865
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I asked you the following:

"Prove that every child born into poverty will be abused and/or neglected.
Prove that every child born to a single parent will be abused and/or neglected.
Prove that every child born, that wasn't planned, will be abused and/or neglected."

And then made the following comment:

"By your standards, the majority of the children born during the time period of 1929 to almost 1940 should have been aborted."

You addressed none of the points and instead you made the choice to spin this the way that you see more desireable.

Either address the questions I've raised, or otherwise it will appear that those who have said you're an idiot are correct.
 
apple0154 said:
Oddly enough I found this at the same link. "Children who are emotionally ignored or not given the proper nutrition to develop into young adults are experiencing neglect that can be punishable under Canadian laws."

Referring to the video I posted one can reasonably conclude the women who brought children into the world knowing they couldn't supply proper nutrition would be guilty of a Canadian crime.

Let's take a closer look at that article. It's written, "According to the Canadian Children's Rights Council, neglect manifests in the form of failing to provide attention to a child's psychological, emotional or physical development. "

Now we're getting somewhere. Considering abortion is legal in Canada a woman has a choice between aborting a child she is not prepared to look after psychologically, emotionally and physically or bring that child into the world and be guilty of committing a crime.

Makes perfect sense to me. :)
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Well; that's twice you've spun this in a direction that you're more comfortable with, instead of responding to what was asked.
You have nothing, you never have had anything, and you never will have anything of any value.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Prove that every child born into poverty will be abused and/or neglected.
Prove that every child born to a single parent will be abused and/or neglected.
Prove that every child born, that wasn't planned, will be abused and/or neglected.
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i would not say every child, but way too many children - which is one of the reasons that i am pro-choice

i forget, but what is your position on abortion for victims of rape and incest or pregnancies that threaten the life of the mother

also, what is your position on declaring a zygote a person as is being attempted in mississippi
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I asked you the following:

"Prove that every child born into poverty will be abused and/or neglected.
Prove that every child born to a single parent will be abused and/or neglected.
Prove that every child born, that wasn't planned, will be abused and/or neglected."

And then made the following comment:

"By your standards, the majority of the children born during the time period of 1929 to almost 1940 should have been aborted."

You addressed none of the points and instead you made the choice to spin this the way that you see more desireable.

Either address the questions I've raised, or otherwise it will appear that those who have said you're an idiot are correct.
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I may well be an idiot, however I doubt you are in a position to judge. You pose a series of unanswerable questions and then get all huffed up because I don't answer them. :palm:
 
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Schadenfreude said:
there cannot be all that many abortions as the world population now exceeds 7 billion

there is a group that does earn my respect, it provides, prenatal, natal and post natal care for mother and child and adoptive services for an unwanted child - this is a pro-life group and it needs the cooperation of the mother

as for bringing another unwanted child into this world, to me that is a crime
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Yes, it is and one has to question the motive behind those who insist on doing so. What type of human being would insist a child come into the world knowing it will suffer abuse/neglect? The best that can be said is their beliefs are born out of ignorance and the worst is they are sadistic, sick individuals.
 
bravo said:
Liberals have 'unwanted children' ...... Conservatives have "unplanned children"......

Were all your children "planned'....were you "planned" by your mama....were all of your grandchildren "planned".....its a rhetorical question but if you answer yes to them....
you a freakin' liar.


Generally.....Conservatives deal with cards they are dealt in life.....liberals whine about everything and blame everyone but themselves for their lit in life.
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You couldn't be more wrong. Liberals are more likely to use birth control as they are less influenced by religion and old dogma.

As for planning children both my children were planned.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Well; that's twice you've spun this in a direction that you're more comfortable with, instead of responding to what was asked.
You have nothing, you never have had anything, and you never will have anything of any value.
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Are you bitching because I referred to something from a link you posted? You really are losing it, Freedom.

Here's what you asked.
Prove that every child born into poverty will be abused and/or neglected.
Prove that every child born to a single parent will be abused and/or neglected.
Prove that every child born, that wasn't planned, will be abused and/or neglected.

No, not every child. Let's use an analogy. Parents warn and stop children from running into the street. Why? Is every child that runs into the street going to get hit by a car? Probably not but the likelihood is much greater if they do.

Try to do some research. From poor school performance to gang membership to prisons check out the background of such children/young adults. And let's not forget the majority of those who oppose abortion also oppose social programs to help those kids.

Responsibility. Self-reliance. I'm sure you're familiar with those words spoken by Conservatives who don't give a damn about children.

Get your social programs in order before insisting more children be brought into the world. Support for young and single mothers. Activities and counseling for children from impoverished homes or, better yet, deal with the condition of impoverished homes.

Sex education, free condoms; whether or not the parents consent.

Before we give a child a pet we ensure the child can take care of it but you advocate people should have children when they have explicitly stated they don't want a child. That, my internet loony, is a big no-no. :nono:
 
Schadenfreude said:
i would not say every child, but way too many children - which is one of the reasons that i am pro-choice

i forget, but what is your position on abortion for victims of rape and incest or pregnancies that threaten the life of the mother

also, what is your position on declaring a zygote a person as is being attempted in mississippi
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Gee, I'm not sure that I want to allow you to move this to an area that makes you more comfortable.

Since your answer was "not every child", which Apple seems to promote is going to occur.
How is that determination made, so that "not every child" falls into that catagory?

I notice, just like Apple, you made the choice to avoid the statement about all the children born during the depression. Are you of the opinion that all those "poor people" should have aborted the pregnancies that occured, during that time period?
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I may well be an idiot, however I doubt you are in a position to judge. You pose a series of unanswerable questions and then get all huffed up because I don't answer them. :palm:
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One small correction.
I originally asked those questions of Apple; but since you decided to take up his banner, then the questions still hold true.
If you feel the answers are "unanswerable", then you should be talking to Apple; because he seems to feel that he has all the answers and those are:
The children will suffer and therefore need to be aborted.
Either you agree with him or you don't.
 
apple0154 said:
Yes, it is and one has to question the motive behind those who insist on doing so. What type of human being would insist a child come into the world knowing it will suffer abuse/neglect? The best that can be said is their beliefs are born out of ignorance and the worst is they are sadistic, sick individuals.
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Then why is it so hard for you to address the following:

"Prove that every child born into poverty will be abused and/or neglected.
Prove that every child born to a single parent will be abused and/or neglected.
Prove that every child born, that wasn't planned, will be abused and/or neglected."

Do you also support this:

"By your standards, the majority of the children born during the time period of 1929 to almost 1940 should have been aborted."
 
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