Yay, Trumpty Dumpty loses Wisconsin

Thing1 said:
So, you're just going by the media's billing?

His policy positions are extremely conservative. Kasich is not a moderate. I like him because he's an intelligent person and authentic, but he's not a moderate.
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Yes. He wants "boots on the ground" in Syria.
That's hardly moderate.
 
Jarod said:
I think any Congress would throttle Trump very quickly, dragging him back at every step. If you think the Republicans tried to hold Obama back, you haven't seen anything yet compared to what the next Congress would do to a president Trump.

My fear is that a Republican Congress would not hold a fanatic like Cruz back because he is an actual Conservative.
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See, this is what I'm talking about. When did conservative=fanatic happen?

Was it part of the fundamental transformation?
 
Jarod said:
I think any Congress would throttle Trump very quickly, dragging him back at every step. If you think the Republicans tried to hold Obama back, you haven't seen anything yet compared to what the next Congress would do to a president Trump.

My fear is that a Republican Congress would not hold a fanatic like Cruz back because he is an actual Conservative.
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I wouldn't consider Cruz a conservative unless your definition of a reactionary is a far right wing ultra-conservative.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
We're talking about a political spectrum where one position is relative to another and Kasich has been billed as the conservative liberals can love. Or at least that's what I've been hearing for about 6 months now. Did the writers at Slate change their minds lol?

But since it's all relative, if Kasich is a conservative, what is Cruz? Attila the Hun?
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They said the same thing about Reagan. You're rationalizing. Kasich is not a moderate. He's an establishment conservative and there's nothing wrong with that.
 
Jarod said:
I think any Congress would throttle Trump very quickly, dragging him back at every step. If you think the Republicans tried to hold Obama back, you haven't seen anything yet compared to what the next Congress would do to a president Trump.

My fear is that a Republican Congress would not hold a fanatic like Cruz back because he is an actual Conservative.
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I don't think we can possibly know that. We have no real idea what Trumps real agenda is and any GOP platform developed with him as the nominee would probably be a worthless piece of paper. That's what makes Trump winning the nomination so disconcerting. There's no predicting what he'd do as he doesn't have the constraints a normal politician does.

Many people who like Trump do so because he is not constrained by the current political establishment as he is not obligated to it but that's a sword that can cut both ways. He's not that obligated to the electorate either. The fact that Trump is missing these normal political constraints is really quite worrying to me.

Having said that he doesn't scare the hell out of me like a fanatic like Cruz does.
 
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Darth Hussein Omar said:
See, this is what I'm talking about. When did conservative=fanatic happen?

Was it part of the fundamental transformation?
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It doesn't. It has nothing to do with conservatism per say. Kasich is a conservative but no fanatic.

Definition - Fanatic: a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal, especially for an extreme religious or political cause.

That does not describe John Kasich. It does describe Ted Cruz.

You're argument is irrational cause you're arguing that Kasich is not a conservative because he's not a fanatical conservative like Cruz.
 
Kasich has the exact opposite problem of Cruz. Kasich couldn't get elected dog catcher in the South. I think Kasich is going the distance to position himself as the only adult in the room and when the inevitable happens, Trump or Cruz gets crushed in the general, Kasich will be well positioned to run as an establishment GOP candidate in 2020.

Kasich would still have to do a better job of putting a political message together other than the standard GOP boiler plate and bragging about his record as Governor.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
It doesn't. It has nothing to do with conservatism per say. Kasich is a conservative but no fanatic.

Definition - Fanatic: a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal, especially for an extreme religious or political cause.

That does not describe John Kasich. It does describe Ted Cruz.

You're argument is irrational cause you're arguing that Kasich is not a conservative because he's not a fanatical conservative like Cruz.
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I think the real problem with Cruz is he's an evangelical.
 
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