Bourdeaux Nights
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That's your insurance company, not Obamacare. If you want to complain, complain about the insurance companies.
WOW!! Federal judge in TX declares obamacare UNCONSTITUTIONAL
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That's your insurance company, not Obamacare. If you want to complain, complain about the insurance companies.
This is what #Metoo activists would call "blaming the victim."
Overwhelming Evidence That Obamacare Caused Premiums To Increase Substantially
Now There Can Be No Doubt: Obamacare Has Increased Non-Group Premiums In Nearly All States
When does the 'affordable' in the Affordable Care Act kick in?
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You can't go back. We have a much older population, higher obesity, more expensive technology, and healthcare providers who know they can get customers at a higher price. There ain't no going back to the 50s.
If you get the government out of healthcare, then you won't be paying those payroll taxes but you will still have to pay those ridiculous healthcare premiums which keep going up every year. Personally I'd keep the payroll taxes and ditch the healthcare premiums, deductibles, and out of pocket.
Government is what enables those higher prices. Get government out of the equation and what happens everywhere else with a sudden absence of nanny state interference will also happen with health care...liberals will fear-monger as the free market contradicts everything they predict, lowering costs, increasing choice, and everything else Obamacare was supposed to do but did the opposite of. And no, you simply saying we can't go back to the sane place where everyone was happy doesn't make it impossible to do it.
Um...All the evidence shows that government involvement is what exploded costs. So, obviously, removing the source of the problem would solve said problem.
The more you get government out of it, the better everything will be. One of history's most consistent and emphatic lessons.
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Actually those higher prices are a result of lower price elasticity in the healthcare market. If you remove the government from the equation, then you just have healthcare companies dealing with hospitals (providers) and pharmaceutical companies, and that doesn't fix the cost problem at all, because thats what most people deal with anyway and their healthcare is very expensive. Hospitals charge 3.5 times the cost of care, American doctors are paid like small CEOs, and hospitals and drug companies earn 15% profit margins, .... and tylenol in hospitals cost $35 per pill.
No. What people deal with are insurance companies that are hamstrung by thousands upon thousands of regulations that strangle and complicate their relationships with providers and pharmaceutical companies into a state of dysfunction. And it was that way before Obamacare, but Obamacare created more than a hundred new bureaucracies that maximized this and made everything far worse. Getting back to free markets is not the same thing as getting back to what existed just before Obamacare. Not even close. It used to be very simple. You break your leg, you go pay a hospital or doctor's office some nominal fee to fix it, and insurance only existed for catastrophic care, like cancer. Then nanny state demagogues started propagandizing for laws to force insurance companies to "protect the poor" by covering this additional thing and that additional thing, until insurance companies were eventually required to be involved in every aspect of health care. That is when premiums started exploding. As usual, get the government back out of the equation and the problem will resolve itself.
Irish Exit
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Not necessarily. Many plans got killed off because of Obamacare leaving the insured no choice but to switch to another plan. I know a few people that happened to. I cannot change policies without being forbidden to re-enter the policy I am in because it is grandfathered in. At least that was the case up until this year. Not sure how the law changes will affect my insurer's ability to offer the high deductible HSA account policies now. Ironically, my ramp isn't nearly as bad as some of the bronze care policies and my per year out of pocket cap is much lower than some of them. I have a 2500 deductible with a 3800 out of pocket/person cap policy.
Mine hasn’t increased a penny. But I am employed
suck my dick government, you're not getting shit from me. I won't hold my breath for the roberts court, seems even republicans want to dick us over on this. but it sounds promising. without the mandate, the law itself is empty, as congress cannot compel someone to purchase something. that's why there was the tax for failing to purchase. but with that gone, it means that all that remains is a law telling people to buy something they dont want. unconstitutional.
i am young and you baby boomer vampires aren't getting my money, so FUCK OFF.
I recently had/have some decently serious health problems. Because I am not a poor life loser that literally sucks at everything like most democrats and JPPers, I did something remarkable - It's called paying things with the money you earn WOW what an interesting concept! I have just paid out of pocket, thousands of dollars, and doing the math it was still cheaper than obamacare and the 3k a year +6k deductible piece of garbage they would want a sucker young person to sign up for. I know the expected value of my health, I refuse to comply. Can't wait till all the sick people die from lack of coverage. time to take out the takers.
i am young and you baby boomer vampires aren't getting my money, so FUCK OFF.
I recently had/have some decently serious health problems. Because I am not a poor life loser that literally sucks at everything like most democrats and JPPers, I did something remarkable - It's called paying things with the money you earn WOW what an interesting concept! I have just paid out of pocket, thousands of dollars, and doing the math it was still cheaper than obamacare and the 3k a year +6k deductible piece of garbage they would want a sucker young person to sign up for. I know the expected value of my health, I refuse to comply. Can't wait till all the sick people die from lack of coverage. time to take out the takers.
Darth Omar
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how are we going to pay for it? ........socialists live in fiscal fantasy land
Obamacare was designed to destroy the existing system (that more than 80% of Americans were happy with, based on a fraudulent crisis) and leave nothing standing but government. That is the one inescapable conclusion anyone who actually read the bill could ever possibly reach.
We aren't. That's how we got more than $20 trillion in debt and continue spiraling helplessly into fiscal oblivion. Again, if we would simply follow the Constitution (not that it's optional, we just don't do it, and then nobody does anything about it), all of this would promptly go away.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Only one way to pay for it—at the expense of something else.
Failing that, they will be forced to restrict access to the system [which puts us back right where we started] though they dare not say that. It will produce a two-tiered system where the wealthy can skip to the front of the line because they can pay cash. It’s going to be wonderful lol.
But fiscal fantasy is a good way to put it. We simply can’t have all the ‘free stuff’. IT WILL NOT WORK lol.
Raise the cap on payroll taxes.
Medicare isn't free.. Its single payer-private delivery.
80% of Americans didn't have healthcare.
Darth Omar
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The taxpayers are the payer. But you’re right: the ‘free’ part is an illusion.
Medicare for old folks is fine though. Especially, since they’ve paid into the system for decades. And if they would cut spending elsewhere it’s totally manageable. The problem is so many people want the government to provide everything from free healthcare to free tuition plus food stamps plus infrastructure plus etc.
Why aren’t politicians who advocate for that honest about it?