Without seeing the charges or evidence…

Doc Dutch said:
Yes, neef. Due to posts like this:
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I've given many examples of the constitutional deficiencies to which I refer in that post.
That you may not see them as very serious deficiencies merely illustrates the difference in our standards.
That's my point with the previous comment.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
I've been to many contentious city hall meanings, having been blessed not to live in small towns.
I've not only been to union meetings but to negotiations, arbitrations, conventions, and just about everything that goes with them.

Your obsession with monarchies is hard to understand. They seem harmless enough to me; merely a ceremonial continuation of tradition.

As for democracy, I like it best when it's configured by people who know what the fuck they're doing.
That's why I respect elites rather than tolerate populists.

I feel like I've answered these same questions so many times.
Are we getting forgetful, Oom? You're younger than I, true, but still not young, I'm afraid.
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USA is not a democracy...u stupid fuck
 
NiftyNiblick said:
I've given many examples of the constitutional deficiencies to which I refer in that post.
That you may not see them as very serious deficiencies merely illustrates the difference in our standards.
That's my point with the previous comment.
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Not saying there aren't deficiencies, neef. Nothing built by man is perfect. Like Winston Churchill is often quoted as saying, “democracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried.”

What I'm questioning is your inability to understand why it's deficient.
 
volsrock said:
USA is not a democracy...u stupid fuck
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How often do you thank God for the internet so that you can get away with anonymously calling me a stupid fuck?

I'm just curious.

As somebody who truly is astoundingly stupid by any civilized standard, you can release your frustrations without consequence.
It's a nice accommodation for you, looking like a pathetic asshole without anybody knowing who, what, or where you are.
Enjoy, you worthless white trash cracker.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Ruh-roh! Here comes a Junior High School lecture on how the US is a Constitutional Federal Republic. :rofl2:

Why did Ronald Reagan call our nation a democracy, vols?
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The United States Is Not a Democracy. Stop Telling Students That It Is.

https://www.zinnedproject.org/if-we-knew-our-history/us-is-not-a-democracy/

America Is Not a Democracy - The Atlantic

The United States was founded as a republic, not a democracy.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/america-is-not-a-democracy/550931/
 
Doc Dutch said:
Not saying there aren't deficiencies, neef. Nothing built by man is perfect. Like Winston Churchill is often quoted as saying, “democracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried.”

What I'm questioning is your inability to understand why it's deficient.
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I TOTALLY understand why it's deficient.

First, it's riddled with unacceptable compromises required to unite incompatible colonies into a single republic.
By my standards, the results are unacceptable.

Second, it's written too much by landed gentry
whose purpose for inciting the revolution was to avoid taxes to the crown which financially supported the colonization in the first place,
and not enough by elite lawyers.

Also an interesting point is
why didn't our grade school teachers explain the revolution to us a little better than they did?
 
NiftyNiblick said:
How often do you thank God for the internet so that you can get away with anonymously calling me a stupid fuck?

I'm just curious.

As somebody who truly is astoundingly stupid by any civilized standard, you can release your frustrations without consequence.
It's a nice accommodation for you, looking like a pathetic asshole without anybody knowing who, what, or where you are.
Enjoy, you worthless white trash cracker.
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I'm curious why you are upset by a keyboard kommando hiding behind his anonymous identity?

From one of the greatest US Presidents in our lifetime: https://voicesofdemocracy.umd.edu/reagan-evil-empire-speech-text/
The American experiment in democracy rests on this insight. Its discovery was the great triumph of our Founding Fathers, voiced by William Penn when he said: “If we will not be governed by God, we must be governed by tyrants.” Explaining the inalienable rights of men, Jefferson said, “The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time.” And it was George Washington who said that “of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.”

And finally, that shrewdest of all observers of American democracy, Alexis de Tocqueville, put it eloquently, after he had gone on a search for the secret of America’s greatness and genius–and he said: “Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness did I understand the greatness and the genius of America. America is good. And if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.”
 
volsrock said:
The United States Is Not a Democracy. Stop Telling Students That It Is.

https://www.zinnedproject.org/if-we-knew-our-history/us-is-not-a-democracy/

America Is Not a Democracy - The Atlantic

The United States was founded as a republic, not a democracy.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/america-is-not-a-democracy/550931/
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Thanks, Captain Obvious. How many Nazis does it take to change a lightbulb? They can't change it because they can nazi.

Alternatively, ...they find it difficult to do it Reicht.
 
Doc Dutch said:
I'm curious why you are upset by a keyboard kommando hiding behind his anonymous identity?
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Mildly bemused rather than upset, Oom.

I cannot deny
having logged on
with a fairly good expectation
as to what one finds on the internet.

I assume that it's the same for you.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
I TOTALLY understand why it's deficient.

First, it's riddled with unacceptable compromises required to unite incompatible colonies into a single republic.
By my standards, the results are unacceptable.

Second, it's written too much by landed gentry
whose purpose for inciting the revolution was to avoid taxes to the crown which financially supported the colonization in the first place,
and not enough by elite lawyers.

Also an interesting point is
why didn't our grade school teachers explain the revolution to us a little better than they did?
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Neef, the fact you don't understand why it hasn't been changed since the 1700s says a lot about you.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Neef, the fact you don't understand why it hasn't been changed since the 1700s says a lot about you.
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Again, I do understand..

The founders did make a reasonable attempt at offering an amendment procedure.

They couldn't anticipate the extent to which the new republic would become polarized,
and their remedies require a level of consensus that neither of us will again see in our lifetimes.

In the end, though, it all again comes down to getting off to a very bad start--uniting incompatible colonies under one republic.

I confess to not having any idea
of what this all says about me,
the ancestors of whom were all on the other side of the ocean as it was all going down.

You find it hard to understand, Oom,
because you are such a total "true believer."

True believers don't have the patience for detail or nuance.
You're all too busy believing that God blessed America.

I'm happy that you can enjoy such a simplified life, Oom,
because caring about facts and detail can be really exhausting.
 
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NiftyNiblick said:
Again, I understand that as well.

The founders did make a reasonable attempt at offering an amendment procedure.

They couldn't anticipate the extent to which the new republic would become polarized,
and their remedies require a level of consensus that neither of us will again see in our lifetimes.

In the end, though, it all again comes down to getting off to a very bad start--uniting incompatible colonies under one republic.
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Human nature hasn't changed for at least 3000 years. I'm certain the Founders were fully aware of human nature...which explains why they set up our government as they did.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Human nature hasn't changed for at least 3000 years. I'm certain the Founders were fully aware of human nature...which explains why they set up our government as they did.
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You look at the same facts as I and arrive at a totally different conclusion from them.

My mind works on the principle of Aristotelian logic.
That's how I was brought up and educated.

You obviously have a different operating system, the way Macintosh and PC are different.

It's the only possible explanation for our difficulty in communicating.
 
Washington on parties.
They hide corruption and divide the people.
They lead at length to formal and permanent despotism.
They gradually incline the mind to seek security in the absolute power of an individual leading to despotism.
Trump is the result that George predicted.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
You look at the same facts as I and arrive at a totally different conclusion from them.

My mind works on the principle of Aristotelian logic.
That's how I was brought up and educated.

You obviously have a different operating system, the way Macintosh and PC are different.

It's the only possible explanation for our difficulty in communicating.
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Yet you're the one whining about it. Go figure. :)
 
Nordberg said:
Washington on parties.
They hide corruption and divide the people.
They lead at length to formal and permanent despotism.
They gradually incline the mind to seek security in the absolute power of an individual leading to despotism.
Trump is the result that George predicted.
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Absent the support of like minded activists in the form of political parties,
please explain to me the nomination process of an alternate system.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
maybe you can unstick your blue colored gearshift from your ass. anything you said is irrelevant to what I discussed, which is your willingness to accept word salad in order to declare a member of your preferred party as 'innocent'. The investigation isn't what cost hillary the election, it was the intelligence of the independent voter knowing that the FBI used word salad to exonerate negligence.
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Once again, you have to put words in my mouth. I didn't say she was 'innocent'. What I am saying is that she was not charged. Period. Full stop. The DOJ does not discuss cases in which the target is not charged. Comey broke that, and he did so twice. That's why we got Trump. But it is a FACT that Clinton was not charged. I don't have a blue gearshift. The first person I ever voted for for President was a Republican. I voted for a Republican Governor on three occasions, and I voted for Independents twice. I voted three times for a Republican candidate for US House, and twice for a Republican senate candidate. But today's Republican party is a shit show. I would not vote for a Republican for dog catcher.

Bottom line, Clinton has never been charged with a crime. NEVER. Trump is going to be indicted multiple times. If you are too fucking stupid to recognize the difference, then I can't help you. And I suspect you ARE too fucking stupid to understand the difference. Maybe read a book once in a while.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Yet you're the one whining about it. Go figure. :)
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You seriously need to look up the meaning of "whining," Oom.
You turn to it whenever you arrive at a dead end.

You challenge me on my political views, and when I explain them, you accuse me of whining.
I'll never understand you true believers and the logic-free thought processes that you deploy.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
You seriously need to look up the meaning of "whining," Oom.
You turn to it whenever you arrive at a dead end.

You challenge me on my political views, and when I explain them, you accuse me of whining.
I'll never understand you true believers and the logic-free thought processes that you deploy.
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Whining = bitching A whiner is someone who laments things that are obvious or cannot be changed.
 
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