Wisconsin Dems to be in Contempt?

[Bonestorm]

Apparently you missed...

"the AG should prosecute: Wis. Stat. sec. 946.12--"Any public officer or public employee who does any of the following is guilty of a Class I felony: Intentionally fails or refuses to perform a known mandatory, nondiscretionary, ministerial duty of the officer's or employee's office or employment within the time or in the manner required by law. . ."

as well as the parts of WI law that Yurt posted and you ignored.

No, I didn't miss it. Whether the Attorney General decides to prosecute them for a felony for failing to perform their public duties has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the authority of the Senate to issue arrest orders for its members that fail to appear.

And I haven't ignored any parts of WI law that Yurt posted, Yurt and I simply disagree as to what it means for the Senate to be able to enforce its own rules and the means it may employ to do so. My view is that the Senate has already specified the means it may employ to compel the attendance of absent members through Rule 84 (I believe). I posted it above.

The Senate cannot just willy nilly decide that it wants to do something that it is not authorized to do under its own rules. In order to authorize the Senate to issue orders for arrest to law enforcement, the Senate Rules would have to be amended to allow for that. If the Senate Republicans were smart, they would have proposed a rule change and then issued the orders instead of doing ineffectual stupid shit like fining the Democrats $100 per day and trying to require the Democrats to pick up their pay checks in person.

Actually you are 100% incorrect on this.

OK, Justice Superfreak. Whatever you say.

Except again your cherry picked portion is not relevant to this.

So, the portion of the Wisconsin Constitution that directly addresses the circumstances under which a legislator may be arrested is not relevant to whether legislators may be arrested? OK. That makes a heck of a lot of sense.

 

[Phantasmal]

What next? The SS?

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

What next? The SS?

wow... look at that... another lefty using vitriolic hatred to portray people with opposing views as Nazi's.

So according to Rana....

Making Dems do the work they were elected to do = death camps

 

[Phantasmal]

wow... look at that... another lefty using vitriolic hatred to portray people with opposing views as Nazi's.

So according to Rana....

Making Dems do the work they were elected to do = death camps

Yep, that's it, that is exactly what I am suggesting, or maybe storm troopers rounding up the wayward Dems.

I didn't realize they were doing anything illegal to be "rounded up"

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Yep, that's it, that is exactly what I am suggesting, or maybe storm troopers rounding up the wayward Dems.

I didn't realize they were doing anything illegal to be "rounded up"

if you carefully read the thread, you would know what they are doing is in fact a violation of the law.

but, its much easier to ignore reality and simply say -- nazi! racist!

 

[DamnYankee]

Once more Rana proves her IQ is less than 90 and her integrity less so.

 

[Canceled1]

Once more Rana proves her IQ is less than 90 and her integrity less so.

A tree stump has a higher IQ than Rana...

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Once more Rana proves her IQ is less than 90 and her integrity less so.

rana and i used to get along...then she turned wacky on me and became very insultive whenever we disagreed. at one time, her and i talked when she was going through chemo (have a family that just went through it)...but that was on usmb....she came back here and got all bitch on me.

 

[DamnYankee]

rana and i used to get along...then she turned wacky on me and became very insultive whenever we disagreed. at one time, her and i talked when she was going through chemo (have a family that just went through it)...but that was on usmb....she came back here and got all bitch on me.

Lemme guess: she had brain cancer and lost half?

 

[PostmodernProphet]

wow... look at that... another lefty using vitriolic hatred to portray people with opposing views as Nazi's.

So according to Rana....

Making Dems do the work they were elected to do = death camps

you shouldn't have mentioned death camps....it's going to raise the ante on options......

 

[Bonestorm]

Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald was repeatedly warned he would be stepping outside the law if he forcibly returned 14 Democratic senators who fled Wisconsin in February, according to internal emails.

Records obtained from the offices of Fitzgerald and Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Ted Blazel show Fitzgerald was told he was on shaky legal ground by attorneys from three state agencies. The memos and email correspondence were released in response to a public records request from the State Journal.

In an interview Friday, Fitzgerald, R-Juneau, said the flight of the senators and the resulting legislative stalemate were “uncharted territory” that no one knew how to navigate.
But he acknowledged the efforts to return the senators to Madison came off as “comical” and would have become a public relations “disaster” if any lawmakers had been hauled back to Madison in a squad car.

“The whole thing was a mess,” Fitzgerald said. “You just can’t compel a senator to come back to the chamber.”

He said the reality was brought home when police agencies refused to carry out his March 3 order to forcibly detain the senators. Among them was Rock County Sheriff Robert Spoden, who said his department would not honor any order to bring in Sen. Tim Cullen, D-Janesville.

Said Fitzgerald: “There was no cop in the state that would enforce it.”

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/lo...cle_837105bb-062e-549e-9c23-2a68b8566788.html

 

[Minister of Truth]

Just treat the 14 retards like shit from now on, and call it a day, I guess.

 

[zappasguitar]

Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald was repeatedly warned he would be stepping outside the law if he forcibly returned 14 Democratic senators who fled Wisconsin in February, according to internal emails.

Records obtained from the offices of Fitzgerald and Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Ted Blazel show Fitzgerald was told he was on shaky legal ground by attorneys from three state agencies. The memos and email correspondence were released in response to a public records request from the State Journal.

In an interview Friday, Fitzgerald, R-Juneau, said the flight of the senators and the resulting legislative stalemate were “uncharted territory” that no one knew how to navigate.
But he acknowledged the efforts to return the senators to Madison came off as “comical” and would have become a public relations “disaster” if any lawmakers had been hauled back to Madison in a squad car.

“The whole thing was a mess,” Fitzgerald said. “You just can’t compel a senator to come back to the chamber.”

He said the reality was brought home when police agencies refused to carry out his March 3 order to forcibly detain the senators. Among them was Rock County Sheriff Robert Spoden, who said his department would not honor any order to bring in Sen. Tim Cullen, D-Janesville.

Said Fitzgerald: “There was no cop in the state that would enforce it.”


http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/lo...cle_837105bb-062e-549e-9c23-2a68b8566788.html

How about that?

Wonder if we'll see anyone admit they were wrong?

 

[DamnYankee]

No, Dems never admit they are wrong.

 

[Damocles]

How about that?

Wonder if we'll see anyone admit they were wrong?

You have somebody specific in mind? I think I posted earlier in the thread that this would be the reality. Wisconsin cops have no authority over Senators hanging out in another state, and there is no law that you have to be there, the quorum rules were set up so that people could do exactly what they did. I even stated that it has happened elsewhere, with the same result.

So, you must not be talking about me. Who here claimed the cops were going to a different state to drag Senators back to session?

 

[Minister of Truth]

US Marshalls, baby!! But, as I said earlier, just treat the 14 faggots like crap, and you can at least get some satisfaction from it. "The chair recognizes the abject failure from Greendale"

 

[DamnYankee]

You have somebody specific in mind? I think I posted earlier in the thread that this would be the reality. Wisconsin cops have no authority over Senators hanging out in another state, and there is no law that you have to be there, the quorum rules were set up so that people could do exactly what they did. I even stated that it has happened elsewhere, with the same result.

So, you must not be talking about me. Who here claimed the cops were going to a different state to drag Senators back to session?

Wonder if we'll see Zaps admit he was wrong?

 

[zappasguitar]

You have somebody specific in mind? I think I posted earlier in the thread that this would be the reality. Wisconsin cops have no authority over Senators hanging out in another state, and there is no law that you have to be there, the quorum rules were set up so that people could do exactly what they did. I even stated that it has happened elsewhere, with the same result.

So, you must not be talking about me. Who here claimed the cops were going to a different state to drag Senators back to session?

Ohhhhh, they know who they are...

 

[DamnYankee]

Man-up and call them out, Fatso.

 

[zappasguitar]

You have somebody specific in mind? I think I posted earlier in the thread that this would be the reality. Wisconsin cops have no authority over Senators hanging out in another state, and there is no law that you have to be there, the quorum rules were set up so that people could do exactly what they did. I even stated that it has happened elsewhere, with the same result.

So, you must not be talking about me. Who here claimed the cops were going to a different state to drag Senators back to session?

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- The Republican leader of the Wisconsin Senate has signed orders finding 14 AWOL Democrats in contempt. The orders signed Thursday allow the sergeant at arms to detain the missing senators and use police force if necessary.

http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/117325873.html

the AG should prosecute: Wis. Stat. sec. 946.12--"Any public officer or public employee who does any of the following is guilty of a Class I felony: Intentionally fails or refuses to perform a known mandatory, nondiscretionary, ministerial duty of the officer's or employee's office or employment within the time or in the manner required by law. . ."

awe...poor baby. first its you're right they can, now its whether they will actually do it. what slippery fish. and i don't bet that kind of money unless i know i am positively right. i'm 99% certain i'm right on this and i do have the law. you just look like a petulant fool on this one and too scared to bet a measily avi change for a week.

read em and weep bitch

http://www.journaltimes.com/news/local/article_fad6725e-45c7-11e0-8437-001cc4c03286.html

There's two who were wrong...