Will jurors just forget what they heard?

[Timshel]

Um, no they do not suggest any such thing. A person is not necessarily going to get injuries from slamming another persons head into the ground. Nor do you necessarily get injuries from hitting someone.

But where is the proof that Zimmerman ever attempted to defend himself with less than deadly force? I don't think that bodes well for Zimmerman. It seems his only "defensive" act was to shoot Trayvon.

This is absolutely why you don't want armed doughy wannabe's walking around acting like they are cops.

 

[evince]

You sure have lots of answers for someone who hasn't been in that position.

When a woman gets raped, why doesn't she just "buck" her aggressor off? Why doesn't she just "bite" him?

God you are an idiot

we are talking about a grown man and a child you fool

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Bullshit.

if he feared he would be smothered like he claims he would have bit him

You are assuming he was able to bite him. Which is a bad assumption. Because again it depends on the pressure whether or not he would have been able to open his mouth. So tell us Desh... if you can't open your mouth, how can you bite someone?

 

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we are talking about a grown man and a child you fool

Martin was taller than Zimmerman and about the same weight. Their ages are meaningless. It is about size and leverage...

 

[evince]

explain how trayon can hold his mouth punch him and go for his gun all at once?

 

[evince]

Martin was taller than Zimmerman and about the same weight. Their ages are meaningless. It is about size and leverage...

guess who studied mixed marshall arts?


zimmy

 

[evince]

why are you so invested in Zimmy?

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

But where is the proof that Zimmerman ever attempted to defend himself with less than deadly force? I don't think that bodes well for Zimmerman. It seems his only "defensive" act was to shoot Trayvon.

This is absolutely why you don't want armed doughy wannabe's walking around acting like they are cops.

He may not have had the chance to do anything but. From what I have heard thus far, it was not a very long scuffle. Zimmerman could have been on the ground and hit multiple times within less than a minute. From the sound of it, he did not fare well in that fight given his injuries and the lack of them on Martin. He may have tried to get out from under Martin, you and I don't know that. But if he was pinned, then that may have been his only recourse.

 

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guess who studied mixed marshall arts?


zimmy

what level and what style Desh? (martial arts)

 

[DamnYankee]

But where is the proof that Zimmerman ever attempted to defend himself with less than deadly force? I don't think that bodes well for Zimmerman. It seems his only "defensive" act was to shoot Trayvon.

So what? If some young buck was threatening my life I wouldn't try to scold him. I'd cap 'em.

GAME OVER

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

why are you so invested in Zimmy?

I am not. I am invested in the truth. You however were brainwashed against Zimmerman from the start by the media and now refuse to let go of the story that was originally painted. Thus you refuse to look at any evidence that contradicts your presumed guilt.

 

[Socrtease]

If you head is being hit into the ground, fear of loss of consciousness with a person beating on you would indeed matter. The fact that the injuries didn't require stitches is meaningless (my opinion). She is also a witness for the prosecution.

However, insignificant injuries go against his claim that Martin's attack was "likely to cause death or great bodily harm". Zimmerman's fear has to be reasonable. The reasonable standard means that the ordinary person, (you or I) would believe that the force being exerted by Martin was going to likely to cause death or great bodily harm. It is a objective standard and NOT Subjective. Zimmerman doesn't get to say "I was more scared than a man in my position would have been".

 

[Timshel]

You sure have lots of answers for someone who hasn't been in that position.

When a woman gets raped, why doesn't she just "buck" her aggressor off? Why doesn't she just "bite" him?

God you are an idiot

And you use such arguments to defend the act of rape.

Trayvon is not on trial and no one is arguing that Zimmerman's lack of defense proves he really wanted to get beaten up. Zimmerman is on trial for murder and the argument is that he seems to have moved to the use of deadly force before attempting any other defensive actions.

 

[Socrtease]

And you use such arguments to defend the act of rape.

Trayvon is not on trial and no one is arguing that Zimmerman's lack of defense proves he really wanted to get beaten up. Zimmerman is on trial for murder and the argument is that he seems to have moved to the use of deadly force before attempting any other defensive actions.

There is no duty under Florida law, or most states self defense laws that you first attempt less than deadly force. If Zimmerman can prove that almost immediately he felt Martin's actions were "likely to cause death or great bodily harm" he can move immediately to deadly force. However, insignificant injuries make that claim less credible.

 

[Timshel]

You are assuming he was able to bite him. Which is a bad assumption. Because again it depends on the pressure whether or not he would have been able to open his mouth. So tell us Desh... if you can't open your mouth, how can you bite someone?

You would have to have pressure from under and above the jaw to prevent someone from opening their mouth for more than a few seconds. It would be very difficult to smother them and do that at the same time. Whether Zimmerman bit him or not does not necessarily prove much alone, but it was another defensive act that was available to Zimmerman and the only he apparently used was shooting Trayvon.

 

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the two head cuts were minor and due to the curve of the head and their placement could have easily happened with one strike.

THAT was what the examiner believed of the injuries.


she has done this before you know

yes... and under cross examination she stated clearly that they could have been from multiple blows.

 

[Timshel]

There is no duty under Florida law, or most states self defense laws that you first attempt less than deadly force. If Zimmerman can prove that almost immediately he felt Martin's actions were "likely to cause death or great bodily harm" he can move immediately to deadly force. However, insignificant injuries make that claim less credible.

Zimmerman did not claim that almost immediately, he felt Martin's actions were likely to cause death or great bodily harm. Zimmerman claims that he reached for his gun and shot after Martin made a move towards his gun. If you establish that Zimmerman's first and only defensive act was to grab his gun and shoot, it makes that claim seem very doubtful.

Martin was supposedly completely owning him to the degree that he was smothering him and Zimmerman could not even open his mouth or strike Martin once. Then Martin made a move towards the gun and Zimmerman was quick and effective enough to draw and shoot without Martin getting any dna on the gun? Seems like a rather improbable change of events to me.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

You would have to have pressure from under and above the jaw to prevent someone from opening their mouth for more than a few seconds. It would be very difficult to smother them and do that at the same time. Whether Zimmerman bit him or not does not necessarily prove much alone, but it was another defensive act that was available to Zimmerman and the only he apparently used was shooting Trayvon.

Um no... that is not correct. Again, try it out with a friend... while it certainly cannot be held shut indefinitely, it most certainly can for a minute or two. Again, depending on the strength of the parties involved.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

There is no duty under Florida law, or most states self defense laws that you first attempt less than deadly force. If Zimmerman can prove that almost immediately he felt Martin's actions were "likely to cause death or great bodily harm" he can move immediately to deadly force. However, insignificant injuries make that claim less credible.

which brings us to the issue of whether or not Martin went for the gun... or whether Zimmerman felt another head blow could lead to loss of consciousness. Either one could be used to justify the use of deadly force. I still think the prosecutor is going to have a hard time proving second degree... manslaughter would have been far more likely. I believe the prosecution can reduce the charge, but that may give the impression their case is weak and they know it.

 

[Phantasmal]

yes... and under cross examination she stated clearly that they could have been from multiple blows.

Could, but forensic evidence shows injuries were insignificant, this word stiks in my mind.