Will jurors just forget what they heard?

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USFREEDOM911 said:
I see; so you believe that either Martin told him, or Zimmerman all ready knew, that Martin's assualt wasn't going to be that serious.
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If this were the standard then a person could start shooting as soon as there was contact, claiming self defense from what they thought was going to be a serious beating.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
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AWWWWWWWW; did that make you feel better Baxter?
By the way, you're still a failure when it comes to speculation. :)
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Yes, I enjoy beating you like a drum and pointing out that you have time to troll but cant cite one example of where I enagaged in speculation.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
But you're speculating that what you reported, happened.
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It happened. I kicked you in the teeth. I am doing it right now. I dominate you so thoroughly you might be able to claim self defense. There are lots of losers frustrated by getting owned daily, like ilaDY, that will sympathize with your plight.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I think it's becoming fairly clear that the Prosecution has over reached with a 2nd Degree murder charge. Still, I would say that a manslaughter conviction for Mr. Zimmerman are a distinct possibility but, for that to happen, I think the prosecution will have to accept that they have over reached.
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Duh. We told you that there wasn't a 2nd Degree murder charge from the get go. But you and your race pimps wanted "justice". You didn't want real justice, you just wanted to keep the race hustlers like Al Sharpton and Obama mollified. Well, you and your ilk stirred up this shit, now you live with the consequences.

The beautiful thing for me is that if Zimmerman is acquitted and the streets erupt, it is more likely that they will destroy liberal areas. They won't be near me. You libs will have reaped what you sown. Good luck with that. Maybe you can call it the Trayvon Spring or something catchy like that
 
So the lefties say that Zimmerman's injuries weren't "severe enough" to warrant him shooting Trayvon? Now think about this for a moment and what an utter bogus argument that is. There is no doubt that Trayvon was sitting on top of Zimmerman beating on him. Even the most ardent lefties admit to that.

So was ZImmerman supposed to keep lying there and determining how severe his own injuries were before he did something?

"Oh wait, that cut is too small, I will wait until it is bigger". Was Zimmerman supposed to lie there and hope that Trayvon would eventually get tired? Forget who you think yelled for help, it was clear nobody was getting involved. I am sure that those few seconds seemed like an eternity.

Put yourself in Zimmermans position for a second and someone is straddling you and raining punches down on you? If you think it is easy to just throw them off then you have never been in that position. It is not easy to just throw someone off of you while they are sitting on your torso even if they aren't throwing punches at you.

now even thought I don't think the prosecution has presented a case to even prove manslaughter, I still am 50/50 on whether Zimmerman will be acquitted. Will the jury be swayed by the fear of the animals rioting in the streets and throw them a bone? If so then justice will not have been served and a very dangerous precedent will have been set.
 
Professor Baxter said:
It happened. I kicked you in the teeth. I am doing it right now. I dominate you so thoroughly you might be able to claim self defense. There are lots of losers frustrated by getting owned daily, like ilaDY, that will sympathize with your plight.
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There you go, speculating again.
I sure do wish you would stick with the facts.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
There you go, speculating again.
I sure do wish you would stick with the facts.
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Okay, I will stop speculating that ilaDY will sympathize and stick to the facts, about how I have humiliated you. It was no great accomplishment, really. I am sort of embarrassed to even mention it, because you are so inept. It all comes down to the facts that you are unable to point out any instance where I speculated on the events surrounding this case while I can/have list(ed) yours.
 
Professor Baxter said:
Okay, I will stop speculating that ilaDY will sympathize and stick to the facts, about how I have humiliated you. It was no great accomplishment, really. I am sort of embarrassed to even mention it, because you are so inept. It all comes down to the facts that you are unable to point out any instance where I speculated on the events surrounding this case while I can/have list(ed) yours.
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I did point it out and now you're just speculating that I didn't. :)
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I did point it out and now you're just speculating that I didn't. :)
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I am stating that you did not, not speculating. I might speculate that you curled up into the fetal position in some other thread as you have done here, but I have read this one so I don't need to speculate about it.
 
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Professor Baxter said:
I am stating that you did not, not speculating. I might speculate that you curled up into the fetal position in some other thread as you have done here, but I have read this one so I don't need to speculate about it.
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And now you raised your speculation to a new level, in what appears to be a pathetic attempt to justify you speculation. :)
 
Professor Baxter said:
The claims about what Martin said depend on whether you believe Zimmerman. He has lots of holes, falsehoods and contradictions in his statements. Way too many for me to find him fully credible. That's without considering his perjury (I don't know if that has been introduced or can be).

There is no proof that Martin reached for the gun either and the defends has not introduced evidence of a struggle for the gun. His buddy contradicts his statements to the police on that point too, which makes his story less believable.
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But there are witnesses who ID'd Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beating him. The defense did not use Stand Your Ground simply because Zimmerman was pinned to the ground and had no way to escape, and Zimmerman has the injuries to corroborate his story.

This case only went to court to sate the lynch mob with a piece of red meat.
 
Socrtease said:
The only testimony we have that his head was "pounded" into the sidewalk is Zimmerman's. Medical evidence does not comport with a repeated pounding, and whatever happened to Zimmerman's head it was not severe enough to cause a concussion. Being afraid that a black kid was sitting on your chest giving you an ass whooping is not the same as being in fear of your life.
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How did the gashes get there?

Like the defense pointed out, you don't have to be dead or maimed to the point of being a vegetable to fight back.
 
Professor Baxter said:
It happened. I kicked you in the teeth. I am doing it right now. I dominate you so thoroughly you might be able to claim self defense. There are lots of losers frustrated by getting owned daily, like ilaDY, that will sympathize with your plight.
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Leave it to a liberal like you, pwned so badly, to fantasize about violence...
 
Abatis said:
And the evidence that shows he's lying is where?



Refer to the OP for police assessment of Zimmerman's statements and the veracity they were given.



There is no evidence to disprove Zimmerman's claim that Martin reached for the gun.

Again, the burden is on the prosecution to prove Zimmerman's depraved state of mind was the primary cause of Martin's death and not a reasonable fear that Zimmerman's life was in danger.

Depraved state of mind vs. reasonable fear.
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defending killing children after you stalk them in the dark with a deadly weapon as long as they are black
 
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