Will Cities Survive 2020?

Actually, not true at all. Rural towns have become a boom thing for several parts of society: First, the wealthy (not uber rich but well off) often move there to get away from the problems of urban life. They don't want the high taxes, oppressive government, crime, noise, and whatever that comes with living in a city. They can commute or work remotely and do if they are still working. Retirees are another faction. These aren't the retired living on social security and food stamps, but rather those with big 401K's, IRA's, pensions, and investment income. They too don't want the hassle of urban living. The third group are those that lead what might be called "eclectic" lifestyles. That is people like artists and writers, entrepreneurs whose business doesn't require a specific location to function, that sort of thing.

Some of the wealthiest small towns in Arizona are now just like that, Jerome, Sedona, Carefree, Cave Creek, Bisbee, Oracle, or Prescott. They all have a large well off segment of the population and are located such that driving or flying into larger urban areas on occasion is easy to do.

So long as cities are unsafe, crime infested, deteriorating shitholes people that can leave will leave and they will go to rural areas to get away from all that.

you need to look at the new John Deere tractors because they are virtually robots now.

what you say about people moving to small towns is only partially true the small town has to have a level of services and life to it and it has to be proximous to a large city. Small towns in the great plains or West Virginia or Louisiana continue to die.

Remote working will become much more of a thing and so commute times will be less and people will own fewer cars and use public transportation more. When they want to go somewhere on a weekend for a road trip they'll rent a car. Some companies are renting additional floor space so they can move workstations further apart to allow for social. The problem with remote working in small towns is the Wi-Fi service isn't there yet.
 
Actually, not true at all. Rural towns have become a boom thing for several parts of society: First, the wealthy (not uber rich but well off) often move there to get away from the problems of urban life. They don't want the high taxes, oppressive government, crime, noise, and whatever that comes with living in a city. They can commute or work remotely and do if they are still working. Retirees are another faction. These aren't the retired living on social security and food stamps, but rather those with big 401K's, IRA's, pensions, and investment income. They too don't want the hassle of urban living. The third group are those that lead what might be called "eclectic" lifestyles. That is people like artists and writers, entrepreneurs whose business doesn't require a specific location to function, that sort of thing.

Some of the wealthiest small towns in Arizona are now just like that, Jerome, Sedona, Carefree, Cave Creek, Bisbee, Oracle, or Prescott. They all have a large well off segment of the population and are located such that driving or flying into larger urban areas on occasion is easy to do.

So long as cities are unsafe, crime infested, deteriorating shitholes people that can leave will leave and they will go to rural areas to get away from all that.

Yep. We rural folk wish those city trash that come here to retire would stay in their cities.
 
you need to look at the new John Deere tractors because they are virtually robots now.

what you say about people moving to small towns is only partially true the small town has to have a level of services and life to it and it has to be proximous to a large city. Small towns in the great plains or West Virginia or Louisiana continue to die.

Remote working will become much more of a thing and so commute times will be less and people will own fewer cars and use public transportation more. When they want to go somewhere on a weekend for a road trip they'll rent a car. Some companies are renting additional floor space so they can move workstations further apart to allow for social. The problem with remote working in small towns is the Wi-Fi service isn't there yet.

All of those I listed are within an hour or so of a large city (eg., within about 75 to 100 miles). In Arizona, a highway connection is all you need and you can drive into that city at 80 mph + on the road being there within an hour in most cases. Do whatever and then return home later that day. What you can't do is do that in an electric battery car.

Phoenix is the 5th largest city in the US now. Our light fail...err, rail system is hemorrhaging money and runs nearly empty all the time. Nobody that has a choice would choose public transit as their means to get around for the most part or entirely. It is simply too inefficient. A trip that takes you 30 minutes in a car, door-to-door, can take more than an hour with public transit. People don't often have that sort of time to waste.

Remote working has serious limits and applies to only a fraction of all jobs out there. Studies put the percentage between about 33 and 40%. That means about two-thirds of jobs cannot be done remotely.

https://bfi.uchicago.edu/working-pa...obs in,account for 46 percent of all US wages.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...-American-jobs-home-coronavirus-shutdown.html
https://promarket.org/2020/04/03/ho...-at-home-in-the-united-states-its-37-percent/

Just because tractors can be made to operate without a driver doesn't mitigate that many agricultural jobs will remain. Plowing fields is one minor part of growing crops. It also depends on the crop(s) being grown as well. Automation has its limits.
 
All of those I listed are within an hour or so of a large city (eg., within about 75 to 100 miles). In Arizona, a highway connection is all you need and you can drive into that city at 80 mph + on the road being there within an hour in most cases. Do whatever and then return home later that day. What you can't do is do that in an electric battery car.

Phoenix is the 5th largest city in the US now. Our light fail...err, rail system is hemorrhaging money and runs nearly empty all the time. Nobody that has a choice would choose public transit as their means to get around for the most part or entirely. It is simply too inefficient. A trip that takes you 30 minutes in a car, door-to-door, can take more than an hour with public transit. People don't often have that sort of time to waste.

Remote working has serious limits and applies to only a fraction of all jobs out there. Studies put the percentage between about 33 and 40%. That means about two-thirds of jobs cannot be done remotely.

https://bfi.uchicago.edu/working-pa...obs in,account for 46 percent of all US wages.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...-American-jobs-home-coronavirus-shutdown.html
https://promarket.org/2020/04/03/ho...-at-home-in-the-united-states-its-37-percent/

Just because tractors can be made to operate without a driver doesn't mitigate that many agricultural jobs will remain. Plowing fields is one minor part of growing crops. It also depends on the crop(s) being grown as well. Automation has its limits.

When you say you can't do the commute when electric vehicle it shows how ignorant you are Tesla's have a range of about 320 MI so you're ignorance is an automatic dismiss you don't know what you're talking about
 
Thomas Jefferson’s distaste for cities is well known.

He called them “pestilential to the morals, the health, and the liberties of man.”

To his closest friend, James Madison, he wrote in 1787, the year of the American Constitution, “When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as in Europe.”

Jefferson believed that cities were breeding grounds not just for economic and political dependency, but that they generally attracted an urban underclass.

An unemployed and perhaps unemployable urban proletariat was dangerous to peace and social stability.

“The mobs of great cities,” he wrote, “add just so much to the support of pure government, as sores do to the strength of the human body. It is the manners and spirit of a people which preserve a republic in vigor. A degeneracy in these is a canker which soon eats to the heart of its laws and constitution.”

He knew enough of European history, particularly of ancient Rome, to understand that urban mobs are susceptible to the blandishments of demagogues, who use what the French called the “canaille” (packs of urban “dogs”) to further their own despotic goals.

In his only book, Notes on the State of Virginia, Jefferson wrote, “Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition.”
 
When you say you can't do the commute when electric vehicle it shows how ignorant you are Tesla's have a range of about 320 MI so you're ignorance is an automatic dismiss you don't know what you're talking about

That depends on the speed you drive, ambient temperature, current charge level, model you own, etc.

We took a 1046-mile round-trip from Ann Arbor, Michigan to St. Louis, Missouri and back in our long-term Tesla Model 3 to gauge the feasibility of long-distance electric-vehicle travel.
The 523 miles each way takes about eight hours in a gasoline-powered vehicle. The Tesla required three recharge stops, adding nearly three hours to the trip.
https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a32081802/tesla-model-3-road-trip/

Model S 100D has emerged as the Tesla that can travel the farthest, with the ability to travel an impressive 310 miles on one charge. Despite the stamina of this vehicle, it is not the most expensive Tesla model on offer, costing around $120,000. If it’s value for money you’re looking for, The Tesla Model 3 should be a consideration — the data reveals that this model can get you 210 miles, and costs only around $40,000. That’s the same distance that the model X 7SD can get you, but will cost you over double the price at $103,000.
https://thebossmagazine.com/travel-distance-tesla/

So, the general answer is, no you can't do that trip in a Tesla.
 
That depends on the speed you drive, ambient temperature, current charge level, model you own, etc. So, the general answer is, no you can't do that trip in a Tesla.

He's just a poor old man who apparently needs another stimulus check very badly. I suspect he could never afford to buy a Tesla, let alone the cost to charge and maintain it.
 
The 19th century city model was upended in 1913 by the advent of Henry Ford's moving assembly line, which lowered the costs of producing the latest transportation technology, the automobile, while also shifting production away from urban centers.

"The moving assembly line required lots and lots of land. You couldn't fit a factory downtown that had moving assembly lines," says Cato Institute transportation scholar Randal O'Toole. Industry started moving to the fringes of cities in order to take advantage of assembly lines' productive potential.

Workers, benefiting from higher pay and lower-cost cars, weren't far behind.

The result was that American metro areas grew larger but also more suburban.

Innovations in housing construction in the postwar era also helped lower the cost of single-family homes, putting the whole process on steroids.

From 1950 to 1990, suburban areas saw their populations increase by 72 percent, while city centers saw their populations decline by 17 percent.

O'Toole argues that the steady dispersal of jobs throughout urban areas undermines the need for density in most American cities.

Places like Manhattan are an exception, not the rule, he says.
 
All of those I listed are within an hour or so of a large city (eg., within about 75 to 100 miles). In Arizona, a highway connection is all you need and you can drive into that city at 80 mph + on the road being there within an hour in most cases. Do whatever and then return home later that day. What you can't do is do that in an electric battery car.

Phoenix is the 5th largest city in the US now. Our light fail...err, rail system is hemorrhaging money and runs nearly empty all the time. Nobody that has a choice would choose public transit as their means to get around for the most part or entirely. It is simply too inefficient. A trip that takes you 30 minutes in a car, door-to-door, can take more than an hour with public transit. People don't often have that sort of time to waste.

Remote working has serious limits and applies to only a fraction of all jobs out there. Studies put the percentage between about 33 and 40%. That means about two-thirds of jobs cannot be done remotely.

https://bfi.uchicago.edu/working-pa...obs in,account for 46 percent of all US wages.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...-American-jobs-home-coronavirus-shutdown.html
https://promarket.org/2020/04/03/ho...-at-home-in-the-united-states-its-37-percent/

Just because tractors can be made to operate without a driver doesn't mitigate that many agricultural jobs will remain. Plowing fields is one minor part of growing crops. It also depends on the crop(s) being grown as well. Automation has its limits.

Obviously remote working has its limits and Chase and Google at this point haven't figured it out but it really isn't that difficult but obviously you can't wait tables remotely Jesus God you're a moron
 
That depends on the speed you drive, ambient temperature, current charge level, model you own, etc.


https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a32081802/tesla-model-3-road-trip/


https://thebossmagazine.com/travel-distance-tesla/

So, the general answer is, no you can't do that trip in a Tesla.

Again your cognitive disability shows up you really need to take a nap. I much prefer to go with what the smart people say then what someone like you says and the smart people say Tesla has a range of 320 to 350 MI any commute beyond that is insufferable in fact 320 mi is an insufferable commute
 
Another low IQ opioid addict with cognitive issues your ability to focus on a topic just means you really need to go take a nap

I'm not the one consistently misspelling words and using improper English, grandpa.

Your geriatric cognitive decline seems to be worse than usual today.
 
He's just a poor old man who apparently needs another stimulus check very badly. I suspect he could never afford to buy a Tesla, let alone the cost to charge and maintain it.

Again your cognitive issues show up your inability to focus on a topic just makes everybody around you feel pity for you
 
I'm not the one consistently misspelling words and using improper English, grandpa.

Your geriatric cognitive decline seems to be worse than usual today.

More cognitive disability you need to put the crack pipe down dude you're just wasting yourself
 
In March and April, COVID lockdowns shut down U.S. cities, making them feel empty and abandoned.

In late May, just as some were beginning to reopen, protests, some of which turned violent, made them feel unsafe.

Within days, rioters had burned down a police precinct building, torched a nearly completed affordable housing development, and severely damaged or destroyed another 1,500 businesses.

Few major cities escaped the national wave of civil unrest that followed, and the timing couldn't have been worse.

In Washington, D.C., violent protesters and violent police officers clashed on the streets just one day after the city lifted its stay-at-home order.

Businesses that could have been offering curbside service were instead boarding up their windows.

In New York City, stay-at-home orders that had never been lifted were complemented by a police-enforced curfew.

Chicago, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia all saw looting and property damage.

Downtown Portland devolved into a nightly, often violent perma-protest.

For a few weeks, Seattle lost multiple city blocks to a leftist street commune known as the Capitol Hill Occupied Protest, or CHOP.

The damage to cities, both physically and psychologically, lingers on.

In late October, days of unrest followed a police shooting in Philadelphia.

Businesses in many metro downtowns boarded up storefronts before the election, anticipating chaos.

Others had never taken down their plywood defenses.

A survey of 27 U.S. cities by the Council on Criminal Justice found that urban homicide rates between June and August rose 53 percent relative to the same time frame in 2019.
 
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