Will Cities Survive 2020?

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One of the first coronavirus outbreaks in the United States was in a nursing home in the Seattle suburb of Kirkland, Washington.

On the same day that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) announced the country's first COVID-19 death, it also reported two cases linked to Kirkland's Life Care Center, where two-thirds of residents and 47 staff members would eventually become infected with the virus. Of those, 35 would die.

COVID-19 deaths in America's nursing homes are appallingly common.

Many of those deaths could have been prevented if families had better options for keeping grandpa closer to home and out of crowded elder care.

But building regulations passed—ironically—in the name of public health make that difficult or impossible in many cities.

Kirkland requires that any accessory dwelling units (ADUs)—often known as granny flats or in-law suites—can be no larger than 800 square feet and no higher than 15 feet above the main home.

They also must come with an off-street parking space.

Of the people who applied for such permits in Kirkland since 1995, nearly half never ended up starting construction.

A survey by the city in 2018 found that design constraints were the biggest difficulty applicants faced.

Kirkland's granny flat rule is just one of countless examples of ordinances, restrictions, and red tape that have slowly wrapped up America's cities, regulating how much people can build, where they can build it, and what they can use it for.

While often justified initially as a means of protecting public health, zoning codes have now gone far beyond nuisance laws—which limited themselves to regulating the externalities of the most noxious polluters—and control of infectious disease.

They instead incorporated planners' desires to scientifically manage cities, protect property values, and combat the moral corruption that supposedly came with high-density housing.

New York City adopted the nation's first comprehensive zoning code in 1916, which placed restrictions on the height and density of new buildings, and classified different types of land use.

Within a few years, thousands of communities across the country had adopted similar regulations.

Their proliferation attracted fierce opposition with critics arguing these zoning codes were "worse than prohibition" and represented "an advanced form of communism."

These disagreements, largely between planners who think cities need to be designed from the top down and others who think they should be left to grow organically, have persisted to this day.


https://reason.com/2020/12/05/will-cities-survive-2020/
 
Yea, they'll survive... At least the poorer sections will. Was down in the 'Gunfire district' again today doing service calls... Masks are a rarity. Had to go to the Big Orange Box store for a Square D QO breaker so I headed to the nearest one. Parking lot had lots of illegals and homeless looking for day labor. Stood in line and not another Whetto (Spanish slang for White guy) in sight. Not a lot of proper mask wear either, not that I gave a shit. The place was friggin' packed. It took me well over 30 minutes in line to get my turn at the Pro Desk to pay.

It took me like ten times as long to buy that breaker as it did to install it and be on my way.

Or, a couple of days ago at another call. I was more likely to suffer a serious dog bite (the guy had two mean pit bulls--he even said they were mean because he wanted guard dogs) than death by Chinese Official Virus Intended for Death.

I just wish I could tell that quack Fauchi to take his goddamned mask and shove it up his ass personally.
 
Yea, they'll survive...

In cities themselves, at least, the planners have won.

Every major metro area in the country save for Houston has adopted zoning codes that regulate how densely people can build on their land and what kind of activities they are allowed to do there.

The history of America's cities is, in a very real sense, the history of zoning regulations, which have long shaped real estate development, labor, and living arrangements.

So it's no surprise that COVID-19, which has occasioned an equally massive government response, has already begun reshaping how people live in cities and how they are governed—rekindling old debates over urban density vs. suburban sprawl while raising new questions about the value of many land-use regulations.

At the same time, renewed fears of violence and decay, stoked by the sporadic riots and looting that plagued city cores throughout the summer, have changed public perceptions about the safety of urban living.

As urbanites flee to the suburbs and municipal governments peel away even more rights, I'll ask: What are cities for? What will they become? And in the wake of a pandemic and waves of riots that have upended so much of urban life, will they survive at all?
 
Cities are the most productive part of America, so if they do not survive, we are in real trouble. We have been able to survive on the social capital built up over the past. If you know your team well, you can continue on with Zoom meetings for a while. Sooner or later, you will not know your team well, and Zoom meetings will no longer cover it.

For a generation or two after the fall of Rome, the Western Roman Empire did not know it had ceased to exist. We would not last as long, but we could think America has survived after it has collapsed.

Much will be decided in the next couple of years. We got rid of trump, which is step one for turning this around.
 
Something to think about:
Republicans are constantly attacking San Francisco, but it has more unicorns than even Silicon Valley, a slight bit to the south of it. It has generated unbelievable amounts of wealth in the last decade. This has displaced a lot of people who are not as wealthy, but it has also sucked in a lot of successful people.
 
Cities are the most productive part of America, so if they do not survive, we are in real trouble. We have been able to survive on the social capital built up over the past. If you know your team well, you can continue on with Zoom meetings for a while. Sooner or later, you will not know your team well, and Zoom meetings will no longer cover it.

For a generation or two after the fall of Rome, the Western Roman Empire did not know it had ceased to exist. We would not last as long, but we could think America has survived after it has collapsed.

Much will be decided in the next couple of years. We got rid of trump, which is step one for turning this around.

Most productive? LOL! Walt, you haven't a clue, have you? Without rural farmers, your cities don't eat. Unless you can grow gardens and raise livestock in your 8X10 cubicle 80 feet in the air...

...and getting rid of Trump isn't gonna change that fact.
 
Yea, they'll survive... At least the poorer sections will. Was down in the 'Gunfire district' again today doing service calls... Masks are a rarity. Had to go to the Big Orange Box store for a Square D QO breaker so I headed to the nearest one. Parking lot had lots of illegals and homeless looking for day labor. Stood in line and not another Whetto (Spanish slang for White guy) in sight. Not a lot of proper mask wear either, not that I gave a shit. The place was friggin' packed. It took me well over 30 minutes in line to get my turn at the Pro Desk to pay.

It took me like ten times as long to buy that breaker as it did to install it and be on my way.

Or, a couple of days ago at another call. I was more likely to suffer a serious dog bite (the guy had two mean pit bulls--he even said they were mean because he wanted guard dogs) than death by Chinese Official Virus Intended for Death.

I just wish I could tell that quack Fauchi to take his goddamned mask and shove it up his ass personally.


you are the dumest moron on the forum
 
In cities themselves, at least, the planners have won.

Every major metro area in the country save for Houston has adopted zoning codes that regulate how densely people can build on their land and what kind of activities they are allowed to do there.

The history of America's cities is, in a very real sense, the history of zoning regulations, which have long shaped real estate development, labor, and living arrangements.

So it's no surprise that COVID-19, which has occasioned an equally massive government response, has already begun reshaping how people live in cities and how they are governed—rekindling old debates over urban density vs. suburban sprawl while raising new questions about the value of many land-use regulations.

At the same time, renewed fears of violence and decay, stoked by the sporadic riots and looting that plagued city cores throughout the summer, have changed public perceptions about the safety of urban living.

As urbanites flee to the suburbs and municipal governments peel away even more rights, I'll ask: What are cities for? What will they become? And in the wake of a pandemic and waves of riots that have upended so much of urban life, will they survive at all?

rural living is what is dead. Farmers are close to done sitting tractor, tractors are becoming robots and when the farmers leave the towns leave. The dynamic of rural populations shrinking has been going on for 100 years or more,
 
Most productive? LOL! Walt, you haven't a clue, have you? Without rural farmers, your cities don't eat. Unless you can grow gardens and raise livestock in your 8X10 cubicle 80 feet in the air...

...and getting rid of Trump isn't gonna change that fact.

As small U.S. farms face crisis, Trump’s trade aid flowed to corporations

U.S. trade aid mainly benefited large farms in its latest round, undermining a key pledge by the Trump administration and leaving family producers at risk of collapse as the economy entered a recession.

President Donald Trump said the bailout program he rolled out in 2018 would help family farms weather his trade war with China, mostly through direct payments from the government. But roughly two-thirds of those payments went to the top 10% of recipients at the beginning of the year, according to an analysis of U.S. Department of Agriculture records obtained by CNBC through the Freedom of Information Act.

The top half of recipients collected 95% of total payments in the $28 billion Market Facilitation Program, which came after retaliatory actions against the Trump administration led to steep drops in demand for U.S. agriculture. The average payment for the top tenth of recipients was $164,813, a stark contrast from the average payment of $2,469.49 for the bottom half of recipients. The data included payments made throughout February and March, when the most recent tranche began to hit bank accounts.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/02/as-...-trumps-trade-aid-flowed-to-corporations.html
 
Cities are the most productive part of America, so if they do not survive, we are in real trouble. We have been able to survive on the social capital built up over the past. If you know your team well, you can continue on with Zoom meetings for a while. Sooner or later, you will not know your team well, and Zoom meetings will no longer cover it.

For a generation or two after the fall of Rome, the Western Roman Empire did not know it had ceased to exist. We would not last as long, but we could think America has survived after it has collapsed.

Much will be decided in the next couple of years. We got rid of trump, which is step one for turning this around.


asg was the last gasp of the old economy. My question is what will the new economy do with all the uneducated asg types?
 
As small U.S. farms face crisis, Trump’s trade aid flowed to corporations

U.S. trade aid mainly benefited large farms in its latest round, undermining a key pledge by the Trump administration and leaving family producers at risk of collapse as the economy entered a recession.

President Donald Trump said the bailout program he rolled out in 2018 would help family farms weather his trade war with China, mostly through direct payments from the government. But roughly two-thirds of those payments went to the top 10% of recipients at the beginning of the year, according to an analysis of U.S. Department of Agriculture records obtained by CNBC through the Freedom of Information Act.

The top half of recipients collected 95% of total payments in the $28 billion Market Facilitation Program, which came after retaliatory actions against the Trump administration led to steep drops in demand for U.S. agriculture. The average payment for the top tenth of recipients was $164,813, a stark contrast from the average payment of $2,469.49 for the bottom half of recipients. The data included payments made throughout February and March, when the most recent tranche began to hit bank accounts.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/02/as-...-trumps-trade-aid-flowed-to-corporations.html

We're doing rather well here. Fresh fruits, meats and vegetables are well stocked at our grocery stores and butcher shops. No problem.
 
We're doing rather well here. Fresh fruits, meats and vegetables are well stocked at our grocery stores and butcher shops. No problem.


Small family truck farming?

Agribusiness Devastating Family Farmers, Rural Communities ...

For many family farmers, farming is not just a job, it’s a way of life. Family farms take care of the environment, produce healthy foods, and support strong rural families and communities. But these family farms are disappearing across the United States. Policies that supported farmers have been replaced by policies that support agribusiness, and since the 1970s, farmers have had to “get big or get out.” The results have been disastrous.

To understand what has happened to farmers and rural communities in the U.S., we only need to look at Iowa, perhaps the most important and most productive farm state in the country.

Today, boarded-up buildings line main streets of small towns across Iowa as small businesses, churches, and schools have closed. Families have been leaving rural areas for decades because there are no longer any jobs or other ways to earn a decent living. And all of this has been caused by the decline of family farms and the rise of agribusiness.

https://www.actionaidusa.org/work/agribusiness-family-farmers/
 
Most productive? LOL! Walt, you haven't a clue, have you? Without rural farmers, your cities don't eat. Unless you can grow gardens and raise livestock in your 8X10 cubicle 80 feet in the air...

...and getting rid of Trump isn't gonna change that fact.

Agriculture is about 1% of the overall economy. The high productivity of the rest of the economy means that food is cheap compared to the rest. Or put another way, Singapore is more productive per capita than the USA, and has virtually no farmland.
 
Agriculture is about 1% of the overall economy. The high productivity of the rest of the economy means that food is cheap compared to the rest. Or put another way, Singapore is more productive per capita than the USA, and has virtually no farmland.

Bottom line. I'll be eating well while you starve. And, I couldn't care less.
 
We're doing rather well here. Fresh fruits, meats and vegetables are well stocked at our grocery stores and butcher shops. No problem.

Yes, we know you claim to have only the freshest cheese (un-aged cheese is inedible, so I am not really sure why you would want to eat something that would make you sick). Now you are claiming to have fresh local fruit in a Pennsylvania Winter. Do you see the problem I have with your claims?

One of the great things about modern distribution is we can get fresh fruit year round, but not local fruit in a Pennsylvania Winter. That will one day be available, but that will require urban farming, which cuts you out.
 
Bottom line. I'll be eating well while you starve. And, I couldn't care less.

Outside of wars, all the modern famines have hit rural people, and not urban people. You are in a particularly bad position because you do not even produce food in the good times.

There is an old Russian saying, "When there’s a drought, the farthest branches dry up first." I am sure that means nothing to you, but whatever...
 
asg was the last gasp of the old economy. My question is what will the new economy do with all the uneducated asg types?

What I cannot get out of my mind is trump's technology summit. he brought the greatest technology business leaders together, sat his two sons in the middle of them, and then had his sons try to sell them basically timeshares. It was the point that his business advisory boards gave up on him, and he gave up on his business advisory boards.
 
Outside of wars, all the modern famines have hit rural people, and not urban people. You are in a particularly bad position because you do not even produce food in the good times.

There is an old Russian saying, "When there’s a drought, the farthest branches dry up first." I am sure that means nothing to you, but whatever...

LOL! So farmers don't produce food? Even in good times? Are you serious?

You are correct, it means nothing to me. I'm not Russian...
 
LOL! So farmers don't produce food? Even in good times? Are you serious?

Before, you claimed you were not a farmer, but merely lived in an area like those that farmers live in. Now are you claiming to be a farmer? What type of farmer are you?

You are correct, it means nothing to me. I'm not Russian...

Better hope you don't end up in a collapsing country, or you might learn what it is to be Russian.
 
Something to think about:
Republicans are constantly attacking San Francisco, but it has more unicorns than even Silicon Valley, a slight bit to the south of it. It has generated unbelievable amounts of wealth in the last decade. This has displaced a lot of people who are not as wealthy, but it has also sucked in a lot of successful people.

A lot of local non Republicans are ‘attacking’ San Francisco as well. To many, tech workers have ruined the City and made it it unaffordable for those who lived here for multiple generations as well as run out the artists, non-profits and creative types. If you desire to live in a City that is a playground for the rich, along with high poverty, then SF is for you.
 
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