Why Trump lost the 2020 election

BartenderElite said:
Because of 1/6/ the Big Lie and the rest, we have never done a proper post-mortem on why Trump legitimately lost the 2020 election (and by a lot). To me, it was pretty simple:

1) He handled the one crisis of his admin poorly. He didn't know which side to take most of the time, and sowed confusion - he tried to encourage some measures, but couldn't resist ridiculing things like masks and distancing w/ "his" people. He even ridiculed the vaccine at times, and then realized it was the one thing he could get credit for, so tried to promote it (but too late).
2) He ran a base election, entirely. He did not play to independents, or try to win any Democrats. He liked to hype up his most ardent supporters, whose vote he already had. It was poor strategy.
3) He was too polarizing and divisive. He tried to take his "offend everyone" message - which appealed to some in the PC era - and carry it all the way through the election day. He didn't play politics - one of the things his supporters love, but it doesn't win elections, which are inherently political.

Beyond all of that, he just wasn't likable. In past elections, this was called the "who would you rather have a beer with" test.

Thoughts? Could Trump have won w/ a different, more centrist campaign?
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Trump would have won if there was no COVID.

If he had handled COVID responsibly, he would've coasted to re-election.

But he and his supporters couldn't keep their big, fat, lying mouths shut...and that compulsion to lie about everything ended up being his ultimate undoing.
 
Why Trump lost the 2020 election? Easy. Never underestimate the power of the promise of free shit and the lefts general aversion to actually work to support themselves.
 
Sailor said:
Why Trump lost the 2020 election? Easy. Never underestimate the power of the promise of free shit and the lefts general aversion to actually work to support themselves.
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What promise of "free shit" was made?

Don't forget it was Trump who handed $30B to trash farmers whose businesses were killed by the tariffs they stupidly supported.
 
Why Trump lost the election: Impeached twice. Committed 10 acts of obstruction of justice. Openly corrupt.

Trump is easily the worst President in the history of the United States.
 
Trump obviously lost because Deep State and Venezuelan intelligence services cheated and Krakened Trump out of votes, and BLM intimidated judges to dismiss Dump's post election court challenges.
 
BartenderElite said:
Because of 1/6/ the Big Lie and the rest, we have never done a proper post-mortem on why Trump legitimately lost the 2020 election (and by a lot). To me, it was pretty simple:

1) He handled the one crisis of his admin poorly. He didn't know which side to take most of the time, and sowed confusion - he tried to encourage some measures, but couldn't resist ridiculing things like masks and distancing w/ "his" people. He even ridiculed the vaccine at times, and then realized it was the one thing he could get credit for, so tried to promote it (but too late).
2) He ran a base election, entirely. He did not play to independents, or try to win any Democrats. He liked to hype up his most ardent supporters, whose vote he already had. It was poor strategy.
3) He was too polarizing and divisive. He tried to take his "offend everyone" message - which appealed to some in the PC era - and carry it all the way through the election day. He didn't play politics - one of the things his supporters love, but it doesn't win elections, which are inherently political.

Beyond all of that, he just wasn't likable. In past elections, this was called the "who would you rather have a beer with" test.

Thoughts? Could Trump have won w/ a different, more centrist campaign?
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All wrong as usual. He lost because of the corruption of our election laws in swing states. Jurists overturned legislative laws so that they could stuff ballot boxes with fake ballots and count them in the middle of the night when no one was looking.

I knew something stunk in PA when Trump had a million plus votes at midnight on election night. After continuing the count to the end of the week, a violation of legislation, that lead evaporated and Biden came out the winner by 31,204,555 votes.

I know, low IQ leftists like you believe there was a Biden miracle. The OBVIOUS evidence suggests it was phony and corrupt. In an election Trump supposedly lost, he actually picked up seats in the House and could have held the Senate if not for the shenanigans in Georgia. ;)
 
Mott the Hoople said:
No. Trump wouldn’t have stood a chance with centrist. Trump was well entrenched as a demagogue. Demagogues don’t historically do well with centrist or the political classes in general. Their appeal is to the unwashed masses.

Trump lost because he had two important metrics go against him. He failed on maintaining civil order after the death of George Floyd. He also failed on a natural disaster, the COVID epidemic.

If Trump had won both of those metrics, Civil Order and Natural Disaster, he would have won.

Had he just won one of those metrics he still might have won.

Losing both put Biden over the hump. That they were both random events that happened in his last year in office.

Just goes to show you how historical events can change things.
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BidenPresident said:
Trump is an asshole. Impeached twice.
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BUT TRUMP!!!
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Mott the Hoople said:
True but had not Derick Chauvin killed George Floyd and had not the COVID pandemic occurred more than likely Trump would have been re-elected.
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That is correct but not for the reasons you believe. But because swing States election processes wouldn't have been overturned by mentally and morally corrupt jurists. :thumbsup:
 
Jarod said:
I think Trump lived in fear that if he did what it would have taken to appeal to the independents, he would lose his base, and that is likely true.

For that reason, I think he was trapped into the strategy he went with and it was a loser.

He really backed himself into a losing strategy.
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PoliTalker said:
He could have so easily won a second term if he did nothing but a good job on the pandemic, all else remaining the same.
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He did nothing wrong handling the pandemic. I challenge you to come up with ONE thing he did differently or worse than every other leader on the planet. :palm:
 
Nordberg said:
Rightys are pleased when tax cuts to the wealthy happen. I do not know why. The wealth gap is obscene.
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The tax cuts predominately benefitted the working class you dishonest partisan hack. Stop parroting the lame lie filled bullshit you are fed by CNN and MSNBC. :palm:
 
Mott the Hoople said:
True but had not Derick Chauvin killed George Floyd and had not the COVID pandemic occurred more than likely Trump would have been re-elected.

The American public is very pragmatic on national elections. They are more retrospective than prospective and are more concerned about how well a political party governs than political ideology or campaigning. Which is why many of the polls and pundits get it wrong about Presidential elections.

So Trumps being an asshole, and he is, had little impact on the election. His performance did and his last year in office was terrible by any metrics and it sunk him.
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True but had not Derick Chauvin killed George Floyd and had not the COVID pandemic occurred more than likely Trump would have been re-elected.
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Criminal justice is a state and local issue, absent a federal jurisdiction of course. What should he have done? Nationwide martial law? He was already a nazi according to you guys.

And if you can think about it objectively, how would you have managed the wuflu differently? Given the very early facts on hand (basically, an extremely lethal and contagious virus strikes world-wide, with no vaccines or therapeutics available), what action do you take? Would you do an operation warp speed? (The ‘tater head didn’t like that, BTW). Compare it to what brandon has done. He said “I’m not going to shut down the country, I’m gonna shut down the virus!”. That bastard has more covid blood on his hands than Trump by far, and he’s done NOTHING to redeem himself. But the irony of this is, if Trump had stolen the election, all that blood would be on HIS hands.

The American public is very pragmatic on national elections. They are more retrospective than prospective and are more concerned about how well a political party governs than political ideology or campaigning. Which is why many of the polls and pundits get it wrong about Presidential elections.
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I agree with this very much, up to the point that a partisan media and a rabid party out of power jumps the shark in a monumental effort to mutilate the man’s reputation.

I’ll tell you a secret though. And I’m pretty confident I speak for most Trump supporters: It’s not the man so much as the man’s ideas. If Trump runs and gets the nom, I’ll vote for him. If he doesn’t run or get the nom, I’m voting for the guy who’s platform is the closest to his. Pandora’s box is open, we’ve seen what works and we’ve seen beyond the leftist nonsense.
 
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BUT TRUMP!!!
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