Why Trump lost the 2020 election

[BartenderElite]

Because of 1/6/ the Big Lie and the rest, we have never done a proper post-mortem on why Trump legitimately lost the 2020 election (and by a lot). To me, it was pretty simple:

1) He handled the one crisis of his admin poorly. He didn't know which side to take most of the time, and sowed confusion - he tried to encourage some measures, but couldn't resist ridiculing things like masks and distancing w/ "his" people. He even ridiculed the vaccine at times, and then realized it was the one thing he could get credit for, so tried to promote it (but too late).
2) He ran a base election, entirely. He did not play to independents, or try to win any Democrats. He liked to hype up his most ardent supporters, whose vote he already had. It was poor strategy.
3) He was too polarizing and divisive. He tried to take his "offend everyone" message - which appealed to some in the PC era - and carry it all the way through the election day. He didn't play politics - one of the things his supporters love, but it doesn't win elections, which are inherently political.

Beyond all of that, he just wasn't likable. In past elections, this was called the "who would you rather have a beer with" test.

Thoughts? Could Trump have won w/ a different, more centrist campaign?

 

[BidenPresident]

Because of 1/6/ the Big Lie and the rest, we have never done a proper post-mortem on why Trump legitimately lost the 2020 election (and by a lot). To me, it was pretty simple:

1) He handled the one crisis of his admin poorly. He didn't know which side to take most of the time, and sowed confusion - he tried to encourage some measures, but couldn't resist ridiculing things like masks and distancing w/ "his" people. He even ridiculed the vaccine at times, and then realized it was the one thing he could get credit for, so tried to promote it (but too late).
2) He ran a base election, entirely. He did not play to independents, or try to win any Democrats. He liked to hype up his most ardent supporters, whose vote he already had. It was poor strategy.
3) He was too polarizing and divisive. He tried to take his "offend everyone" message - which appealed to some in the PC era - and carry it all the way through the election day. He didn't play politics - one of the things his supporters love, but it doesn't win elections, which are inherently political.

Beyond all of that, he just wasn't likable. In past elections, this was called the "who would you rather have a beer with" test.

Thoughts? Could Trump have won w/ a different, more centrist campaign?

If Trump was not Trump he may have won....

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Because of 1/6/ the Big Lie and the rest, we have never done a proper post-mortem on why Trump legitimately lost the 2020 election (and by a lot). To me, it was pretty simple:

1) He handled the one crisis of his admin poorly. He didn't know which side to take most of the time, and sowed confusion - he tried to encourage some measures, but couldn't resist ridiculing things like masks and distancing w/ "his" people. He even ridiculed the vaccine at times, and then realized it was the one thing he could get credit for, so tried to promote it (but too late).
2) He ran a base election, entirely. He did not play to independents, or try to win any Democrats. He liked to hype up his most ardent supporters, whose vote he already had. It was poor strategy.
3) He was too polarizing and divisive. He tried to take his "offend everyone" message - which appealed to some in the PC era - and carry it all the way through the election day. He didn't play politics - one of the things his supporters love, but it doesn't win elections, which are inherently political.

Beyond all of that, he just wasn't likable. In past elections, this was called the "who would you rather have a beer with" test.

Thoughts? Could Trump have won w/ a different, more centrist campaign?

No. Trump wouldn’t have stood a chance with centrist. Trump was well entrenched as a demagogue. Demagogues don’t historically do well with centrist or the political classes in general. Their appeal is to the unwashed masses.

Trump lost because he had two important metrics go against him. He failed on maintaining civil order after the death of George Floyd. He also failed on a natural disaster, the COVID epidemic.

If Trump had won both of those metrics, Civil Order and Natural Disaster, he would have won.

Had he just won one of those metrics he still might have won.

Losing both put Biden over the hump. That they were both random events that happened in his last year in office.

Just goes to show you how historical events can change things.

 

[BidenPresident]

No. Trump wouldn’t have stood a chance with centrist. Trump was well entrenched as a demagogue. Demagogues don’t historically do well with centrist or the political classes in general. Their appeal is to the unwashed masses.

Trump lost because he had two important metrics go against him. He failed on maintaining civil order after the death of George Floyd. He also failed on a natural disaster, the COVID epidemic.

If Trump had won both of those metrics turn against him. Civil Order and Natural Disaster, he would have won.

Had he just won one of those metrics he still might have won.

Losing both put Biden over the hump. That they were both random events that happened in his last year in office.

Just goes to show you how historical events can change things.

Trump is an asshole. Impeached twice.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Because of 1/6/ the Big Lie and the rest, we have never done a proper post-mortem on why Trump legitimately lost the 2020 election (and by a lot). To me, it was pretty simple:

1) He handled the one crisis of his admin poorly. He didn't know which side to take most of the time, and sowed confusion - he tried to encourage some measures, but couldn't resist ridiculing things like masks and distancing w/ "his" people. He even ridiculed the vaccine at times, and then realized it was the one thing he could get credit for, so tried to promote it (but too late).
2) He ran a base election, entirely. He did not play to independents, or try to win any Democrats. He liked to hype up his most ardent supporters, whose vote he already had. It was poor strategy.
3) He was too polarizing and divisive. He tried to take his "offend everyone" message - which appealed to some in the PC era - and carry it all the way through the election day. He didn't play politics - one of the things his supporters love, but it doesn't win elections, which are inherently political.

Beyond all of that, he just wasn't likable. In past elections, this was called the "who would you rather have a beer with" test.

Thoughts? Could Trump have won w/ a different, more centrist campaign?

I don't think so. He still had many traditional (R) voters in 2020, which I see more as "I can't vote for a (D) so I'll hold my nose and vote for HIM." He had his ardent base but they were not enough to overcome the passion of (D) voters who knew that we had to rid ourselves of this corrupt plague rat before we were all infected. It's possible that if he had not totally fucked up dealing with the pandemic, and thus the economy, he * might * have won re-election. Unlikely though. I agree with you that he played to the base (perfect word for those slime) and not enough to moderate, normal ppl.

 

[BidenPresident]

I don't think so. He still had many traditional (R) voters in 2020, which I see more as "I can't vote for a (D) so I'll hold my nose and vote for HIM." He had his ardent base but they were not enough to overcome the passion of (D) voters who knew that we had to rid ourselves of this corrupt plague rat before we were all infected. It's possible that if he had not totally fucked up dealing with the pandemic, and thus the economy, he * might * have won re-election. Unlikely though. I agree with you that he played to the base (perfect word for those slime) and not enough to moderate, normal ppl.

Like saying, if a short person was tall then he would be tall. Trump lost because he was a horrible president, the worst.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Trump is an asshole. Impeached twice.

True but had not Derick Chauvin killed George Floyd and had not the COVID pandemic occurred more than likely Trump would have been re-elected.

The American public is very pragmatic on national elections. They are more retrospective than prospective and are more concerned about how well a political party governs than political ideology or campaigning. Which is why many of the polls and pundits get it wrong about Presidential elections.

So Trumps being an asshole, and he is, had little impact on the election. His performance did and his last year in office was terrible by any metrics and it sunk him.

 

[redfish]

Because of 1/6/ the Big Lie and the rest, we have never done a proper post-mortem on why Trump legitimately lost the 2020 election (and by a lot). To me, it was pretty simple:

1) He handled the one crisis of his admin poorly. He didn't know which side to take most of the time, and sowed confusion - he tried to encourage some measures, but couldn't resist ridiculing things like masks and distancing w/ "his" people. He even ridiculed the vaccine at times, and then realized it was the one thing he could get credit for, so tried to promote it (but too late).
2) He ran a base election, entirely. He did not play to independents, or try to win any Democrats. He liked to hype up his most ardent supporters, whose vote he already had. It was poor strategy.
3) He was too polarizing and divisive. He tried to take his "offend everyone" message - which appealed to some in the PC era - and carry it all the way through the election day. He didn't play politics - one of the things his supporters love, but it doesn't win elections, which are inherently political.

Beyond all of that, he just wasn't likable. In past elections, this was called the "who would you rather have a beer with" test.

Thoughts? Could Trump have won w/ a different, more centrist campaign?

Trump did win the 2020 election. But was not president because of successful coup of the US government was pulled off by the democrats, the media, and China. Wake up america, your country was stolen from you and an illegal administration is now ruining your great country.

 

[redfish]

Trump is an asshole. Impeached twice.

fake impeachments to cover up democrat crimes. Best president of all time.

 

[Jarod]

Trump did win the 2020 election. But was not president because of successful coup of the US government was pulled off by the democrats, the media, and China. Wake up america, your country was stolen from you and an illegal administration is now ruining your great country.

Man, if you believe that you should do something about it. I certainty would, but maybe you dont really believe it or are not patriotic.

 

[Jarod]

Because of 1/6/ the Big Lie and the rest, we have never done a proper post-mortem on why Trump legitimately lost the 2020 election (and by a lot). To me, it was pretty simple:

1) He handled the one crisis of his admin poorly. He didn't know which side to take most of the time, and sowed confusion - he tried to encourage some measures, but couldn't resist ridiculing things like masks and distancing w/ "his" people. He even ridiculed the vaccine at times, and then realized it was the one thing he could get credit for, so tried to promote it (but too late).
2) He ran a base election, entirely. He did not play to independents, or try to win any Democrats. He liked to hype up his most ardent supporters, whose vote he already had. It was poor strategy.
3) He was too polarizing and divisive. He tried to take his "offend everyone" message - which appealed to some in the PC era - and carry it all the way through the election day. He didn't play politics - one of the things his supporters love, but it doesn't win elections, which are inherently political.

Beyond all of that, he just wasn't likable. In past elections, this was called the "who would you rather have a beer with" test.

Thoughts? Could Trump have won w/ a different, more centrist campaign?

I think Trump lived in fear that if he did what it would have taken to appeal to the independents, he would lose his base, and that is likely true.

For that reason, I think he was trapped into the strategy he went with and it was a loser.

He really backed himself into a losing strategy.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Because of 1/6/ the Big Lie and the rest, we have never done a proper post-mortem on why Trump legitimately lost the 2020 election (and by a lot). To me, it was pretty simple:

1) He handled the one crisis of his admin poorly. He didn't know which side to take most of the time, and sowed confusion - he tried to encourage some measures, but couldn't resist ridiculing things like masks and distancing w/ "his" people. He even ridiculed the vaccine at times, and then realized it was the one thing he could get credit for, so tried to promote it (but too late).
2) He ran a base election, entirely. He did not play to independents, or try to win any Democrats. He liked to hype up his most ardent supporters, whose vote he already had. It was poor strategy.
3) He was too polarizing and divisive. He tried to take his "offend everyone" message - which appealed to some in the PC era - and carry it all the way through the election day. He didn't play politics - one of the things his supporters love, but it doesn't win elections, which are inherently political.

Beyond all of that, he just wasn't likable. In past elections, this was called the "who would you rather have a beer with" test.

Thoughts? Could Trump have won w/ a different, more centrist campaign?

/shrugs.......because Biden was awarded 44,000 more votes in three states (WI, PA, and GA)......courts in WI and PA have already given verdicts that their elections violated the constitution......

 

[Matt Dillon]

I don't think so. He still had many traditional (R) voters in 2020, which I see more as "I can't vote for a (D) so I'll hold my nose and vote for HIM." He had his ardent base but they were not enough to overcome the passion of (D) voters who knew that we had to rid ourselves of this corrupt plague rat before we were all infected. It's possible that if he had not totally fucked up dealing with the pandemic, and thus the economy, he * might * have won re-election. Unlikely though. I agree with you that he played to the base (perfect word for those slime) and not enough to moderate, normal ppl.

Yeah, things are going great now!

/sarcasm

 

[Matt Dillon]

True but had not Derick Chauvin killed George Floyd and had not the COVID pandemic occurred more than likely Trump would have been re-elected.

The American public is very pragmatic on national elections. They are more retrospective than prospective and are more concerned about how well a political party governs than political ideology or campaigning. Which is why many of the polls and pundits get it wrong about Presidential elections.

So Trumps being an asshole, and he is, had little impact on the election. His performance did and his last year in office was terrible by any metrics and it sunk him.

Is that why the globalists organized George Floyd riots around the globe?

Those were funded and highly organized. Definitely not organic.

 

[Wolverine]

Yeah, things are going great now!

/sarcasm

See this is the problem, they think things are great! Of course they aren't, and now I saw they are using tik tok to lie to people about why prices have gone up so much! they are such sycophants they really do believe this is a great economy and perfect foreign policy!

 

[Matt Dillon]

See this is the problem, they think things are great! Of course they aren't, and now I saw they are using tik tok to lie to people about why prices have gone up so much! they are such sycophants they really do believe this is a great economy and perfect foreign policy!

The media helps with that, I'm sure.

 

[Matt Dillon]

Man, if you believe that you should do something about it. I certainty would, but maybe you dont really believe it or are not patriotic.

You have to operate within the law unless there is absolutely no other way.

 

[BidenPresident]

True but had not Derick Chauvin killed George Floyd and had not the COVID pandemic occurred more than likely Trump would have been re-elected.

The American public is very pragmatic on national elections. They are more retrospective than prospective and are more concerned about how well a political party governs than political ideology or campaigning. Which is why many of the polls and pundits get it wrong about Presidential elections.

So Trumps being an asshole, and he is, had little impact on the election. His performance did and his last year in office was terrible by any metrics and it sunk him.

No.

 

[Son of the Revolution]

FUCK JOE BIDEN

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello BartenderElite,

Because of 1/6/ the Big Lie and the rest, we have never done a proper post-mortem on why Trump legitimately lost the 2020 election (and by a lot). To me, it was pretty simple:

1) He handled the one crisis of his admin poorly. He didn't know which side to take most of the time, and sowed confusion - he tried to encourage some measures, but couldn't resist ridiculing things like masks and distancing w/ "his" people. He even ridiculed the vaccine at times, and then realized it was the one thing he could get credit for, so tried to promote it (but too late).
2) He ran a base election, entirely. He did not play to independents, or try to win any Democrats. He liked to hype up his most ardent supporters, whose vote he already had. It was poor strategy.
3) He was too polarizing and divisive. He tried to take his "offend everyone" message - which appealed to some in the PC era - and carry it all the way through the election day. He didn't play politics - one of the things his supporters love, but it doesn't win elections, which are inherently political.

Beyond all of that, he just wasn't likable. In past elections, this was called the "who would you rather have a beer with" test.

Thoughts? Could Trump have won w/ a different, more centrist campaign?

It was Trump's election to lose. He could have so easily won a second term if he did nothing but a good job on the pandemic, all else remaining the same.