Why the Republican War on Workers Rights Undermines the American Economy

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You are free to not work at a unionized firm.

We are also free to elect representatives that will enact laws that give us the CHOICE of joining or not. You are also free to move to a union shop state if you think that benefits you or that you are being unfairly treated because others don't want to be union members. You seem to have forgotten those points.

 

[The Dude]

What are some great companies that are unionized?

 

[Bonestorm]

We are also free to elect representatives that will enact laws that give us the CHOICE of joining or not. You are also free to move to a union shop state if you think that benefits you or that you are being unfairly treated because others don't want to be union members. You seem to have forgotten those points.

No, I'm quite aware of them. Damo appears to be bitching that he shouldn't be forced to work at a union shop. Well, he isn't forced to do so. He can work elsewhere.

 

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No, I'm quite aware of them. Damo appears to be bitching that he shouldn't be forced to work at a union shop. Well, he isn't forced to do so. He can work elsewhere.

and unions can go to France where they belong. It is very EASY to say 'just go get another job if you don't like it' but we both know how ridiculous that is in reality.

 

[The Dude]

what are some great unionized companies?

 

[Bfgrn]

bf likes getting schooled but didn't like school. WTF

How come every time I challenge you to debate me on economic, you run & hide? Did you become a coward on your own, or is it a family tradition?

 

[The Dude]

You barely have a hs understanding of economics. The evil corp rants are fucking hillarious. Cat must be slow because even though you are non degreed you work for a great company.

 

[Rune]

LMAO.... you are quite wrong. In a union the best workers are not going to be compensated fairly. They are going to get the AVERAGE wage/bene package just like the WORST workers.

The best and the worst will still make more than in a nonunion shop. The leverage is the strike, shutting down production. No nonunion workers have this leverage SuperShill.

 

[Rune]

We are also free to elect representatives that will enact laws that give us the CHOICE of joining or not. You are also free to move to a union shop state if you think that benefits you or that you are being unfairly treated because others don't want to be union members. You seem to have forgotten those points.

You are under the mis-conception that the legislature is not open to the highest bidder. Get a friggin grip. When was the last time a legislater did the bidding of those who elected him?

 

[Rune]

First, learn to use the quote boxes or put your entire response AFTER the quote box that appears. Putting your responses in as you are means others have to cut and paste every response from your mess





WRONG.... they have lost the right to bargain SOME of their wage/benefits with the STATE. They STILL have the right to bargain via the tax payers. What they have lost is the ability to bribe politicians directly for raises and increases to benefits.



Yes, you did indeed say capitalism. I was saying that you have a very hard time with reading comprehension.... and apparently that problem even includes comprehending your own posts.



It is not patronizing to ask you to provide clarification.

All of those cases above are due to the current RECESSION and subsequent recovery period or lack thereof. That lack of recovery is at the feet of President Obama and the Dem led Congress from 2009-2010 and now the Split Congress as of 2011.

Tell us.... were people in 2007 better off than the people in 1980 in terms of affording the things you mentioned?



We most certainly do NOT need unions to bargain for wages and benefits. Every individual is capable of doing so on their own and the companies can choose to award their employees based on MERIT.



which part? That universities tend to be run by more liberals than conservatives? Or that many people outspend their income because they have to have the new toys/tech/bigger home/newer car etc...????



No, your point is moronic. Yes, profits are made. But your declaration that people are not being paid fairly is nothing short of an extremely BIASED OPINION.




I didn't claim to be an expert. I asked you to DEFINE A LIVING WAGE. You far left parrots trot out that statement all the time and then continually FAIL to define what exactly it means.



yes, we export, but not to the extent Germany does. Both parties have been spendthrifts. The point was that Germany has cut wasteful programs from their budget. We do not.... and by we I mean BOTH parties.



So you too are buying exports from Germany. Thanks for proving my point.

Reading comprehension? Read post 20. I said capitalist!

Wrong again. The recession was in full bloom by 2005. That is why the banking house of cards fell, not vice-versa. People couldn't pay their mortgages because they weren't working. The gov. system of calculating a recession is bullshit statistical manipulation.

Yes, people were better off in 1980. Fucking Yes.

We will not know how badly we need unions till tey are gone, which will not be long.

Germany is only slightly ahead of us on exports. http://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch5en/conc5en/leadingtraders.html

Sorry, that explantion doesn't wash.

 

[The Dude]

better check youself on 2005

and we are fucking light years better off than 1980

average house is prob 1/3 bigger and filled with way more TV's etc

fucking non college morons trying to argue economics, go try and preform surgery after lunch

 

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The best and the worst will still make more than in a nonunion shop. The leverage is the strike, shutting down production. No nonunion workers have this leverage SuperShill.

The worst will certainly make more. Congrats, you just rewarded the worst.

The best will most certainly NOT make more. In a non-union shop, workers advance based on their individual performance, they are not dragged down by the performance of the average and below average workers.

 

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You are under the mis-conception that the legislature is not open to the highest bidder. Get a friggin grip. When was the last time a legislater did the bidding of those who elected him?

LMAO.... this very thread is about the 'Republican 'war' on the middle class (which to the left means the 7% of the population that is union workers)' This is about LEGISLATION that is taking place that will do what those Republicans were elected to do.

You are slightly delusional if you think there isn't a majority out there that is tired of the public union excesses and that also WANTS right to work states vs. union shop states.

 

[Bonestorm]

and unions can go to France where they belong. It is very EASY to say 'just go get another job if you don't like it' but we both know how ridiculous that is in reality.

How much more difficult is it to move to France than to get a new job?

 

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Reading comprehension? Read post 20. I said capitalist!

Yes, you said capitalist. Then I answered that I was indeed a supporter of capitalism, especially over communism and socialism (post 21). THEN in post 22 you stated

Did I say capitalism?

So where exactly are you getting lost????

Wrong again. The recession was in full bloom by 2005. That is why the banking house of cards fell, not vice-versa. People couldn't pay their mortgages because they weren't working. The gov. system of calculating a recession is bullshit statistical manipulation.

ROFLMAO.... WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???? Unemployment started the year about 5.3% and finished at 4.9%. It did not return above 5% until the end of 2007. GDP in 2005 grew by 4.4%. It continued growing in 2006 and 2007.

If you are looking for what sparked the downturn (not caused it, but sparked the run) it was the removal of the uptick rule in June of 2007.

Yes, people were better off in 1980. Fucking Yes.

You clearly have no comprehension of what it was like in 1980. GDP DECLINED by almost 8%, inflation was above 12%, unemployment averaged over 7% for the year. yet YOU proclaim people were better off? That is seriously quite funny.

We will not know how badly we need unions till tey are gone, which will not be long.

Um... ok.... though we have seen a decline in union membership in the private sector for the past 30 years and yet the economy has still flourished. Imagine that.

Germany is only slightly ahead of us on exports. http://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch5en/conc5en/leadingtraders.html

LMAO.... Germany is AHEAD of us in REAL dollars.... yet their economy is less than 25% of ours in terms of total GDP. So their exports have a FAR greater impact on their economy than ours do.

 

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How much more difficult is it to move to France than to get a new job?

Just as easy as telling someone to change states.

 

[Rune]

Yes, you said capitalist. Then I answered that I was indeed a supporter of capitalism, especially over communism and socialism (post 21). THEN in post 22 you stated



So where exactly are you getting lost????



ROFLMAO.... WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???? Unemployment started the year about 5.3% and finished at 4.9%. It did not return above 5% until the end of 2007. GDP in 2005 grew by 4.4%. It continued growing in 2006 and 2007.

If you are looking for what sparked the downturn (not caused it, but sparked the run) it was the removal of the uptick rule in June of 2007.



You clearly have no comprehension of what it was like in 1980. GDP DECLINED by almost 8%, inflation was above 12%, unemployment averaged over 7% for the year. yet YOU proclaim people were better off? That is seriously quite funny.



Um... ok.... though we have seen a decline in union membership in the private sector for the past 30 years and yet the economy has still flourished. Imagine that.



LMAO.... Germany is AHEAD of us in REAL dollars.... yet their economy is less than 25% of ours in terms of total GDP. So their exports have a FAR greater impact on their economy than ours do.

Not going to argue that point anymore, I said you were a capitalist shill, if you can't understand the difference, suffer accordingly.

Like I said government statistics. Unemployment statistics do not take into account self employed, this is where the unraveling of the economy starts. I happen to work in an area that has a dispropotionate amount of self employed, the downturn started in 2005 regardless of what government bullshit you choose to beleive.

Yep, people were better off. Two percent more were employed, Reagonomics had not yet afflicted the country, real estate was priced in proportion to wages, fuel was cheap, etc. Corporations may have had it rough, I think that is what you are actualy saying. Back then I put $5 worth of gas in my truck at a time, now I put in $50 at a time. Food cost was ten percent of the median salary, now it is over thirty. Since the minimum wage is not ten times what it was then, clearly people were better off.

Yes, the economy flourished. The stock market climbed to record highs. The wealthy got wealthier. The ranks of the middle class diminished and the number of those living in poverty burgeoned.
The decline of the middle class mirrored the decline of unions.

The population of Germany is 25% of ours too. Try again.