Why I've come full circle, Trump for Republican nomination!

Jarod

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For months I have been upset by the reward that P.T. Trump gets for his obnoxious behavior, lack of basic manors, and name calling. That's very un-presidential. I have also been upset that a man promoting such xenophobic, and harmful ideas such as banning ALL MUSLIMS from entering the Country was so wildly popular.

I have come to believe, based on Trumps history that he does not honestly believe in the xenophobic ideas, but is using them to get a subset of the population to support him, the subset he needs for todays purposes.

It seems to me he believes that he has the nomination wrapped up. He is picking a fight with the conservative Fox network, and no longer making radically racist or xenophobic comments. (its been over a month since he quit, they were coming weekly for a while.)

IF, and its still an IF, Trump sews up the Republican nomination, he will be causing whiplash to anyone watching with how fast he runs to the center, or even left. The man is for Universal Healthcare, he openly talks about it even now... (he wont use those words, but its what he describes). He is against foreign wars, against boots on the ground again in Iraq, (many Republicans are openly arguing for it.) It will be telling who he choses for a running mate, once he has the R nomination sewed up... will he really make a play for the Democratic voter by choosing a liberal, or will he pander to the religious right, as he is currently doing in Iowa, by choosing someone like Huckleberry?

One thing Trump is open about, is that once a deal is made (he gets the Republican nomination) you cannot count on him to stick to the terms.


So, who is the real Trump? Socially he is a New Yorker, pro-gay marriage and pro-liberalism. Economically he is an opportunist who seems to believe that managing the Governments economy is akin to operating his multi-billion dollar real-estate firm. This is not a good thing, he will fail.. but he wont simply open the treasury to big business and try to privatize local water utilities. The bottom line is that Trump does not have an underlying Conservative agenda, in fact, in some ways he wants a big government.

So.... My point, I am supporting him for the Republican nomination.

I believe HRC is a weak and flawed candidate. She does not connect well with the people and many women do not feel she represents them as a feminist. She might, I doubt it, get indicted. Her associates are more likely to get indicted. She might get elected, but I would not count on it.

My point is that if we have a real chance of the Democrats losing the White House, I would prefer Trump to a Conservative. I would prefer Trumps appointments to the Supreme Court than Cruz or Rubio's. I would prefer the health care system Trump will sign into law to the nothing that Cruz and Rubio would do about healthcare. I prefer not invading Iraq again over the boots on the ground Cruz and Rubio are promoting.

"TRUMP for Republican nominee in 16'"

There I said it.
 
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I predicted in July or August that democrats would warm up to Trump. For the exact reasons you stated: Trump is a nominal conservative and Hillary is a weak candidate.

You were correct. Good prognostication!

Don't get me wrong, I am not voting for Trump, simply happy the Republicans seem to be about to nominate the least conservative of their options.
 
The irony is they're on the verge of nominating a true Democrat. Crazy Bernie and Hillary are threadbare radicals.

Go figure.
 
The irony is they're on the verge of nominating a true Democrat. Crazy Bernie and Hillary are threadbare radicals.

Go figure.

In some ways Trump is more liberal than HRC.

Honest Conservatives might consider supporting her over Trump if they want to support the candidate most conservative on the spectrum.
 
The irony is they're on the verge of nominating a true Democrat. Crazy Bernie and Hillary are threadbare radicals.

Go figure.

If one believes the Ted Cruz line of thinking Republicans lose national elections because our candidates are too moderate/not conservative enough, nominating Trump would flip that script.
 
If one believes the Ted Cruz line of thinking Republicans lose national elections because our candidates are too moderate/not conservative enough, nominating Trump would flip that script.

And they might finally win.
 
Trump already is in the center. Why do you think he is so popular ?

So under that logic... The nation has lurched left! The Republicans are nominating a true centrest and the democrats have two left wing radicals?

Maybe, but it seems to me, Trump is in many areas left of HRC.
 
For months I have been upset by the reward that P.T. Trump gets for his obnoxious behavior, lack of basic manors, and name calling. That's very un-presidential. I have also been upset that a man promoting such xenophobic, and harmful ideas such as banning ALL MUSLIMS from entering the Country was so wildly popular.

I have come to believe, based on Trumps history that he does not honestly believe in the xenophobic ideas, but is using them to get a subset of the population to support him, the subset he needs for todays purposes.

It seems to me he believes that he has the nomination wrapped up. He is picking a fight with the conservative Fox network, and no longer making radically racist or xenophobic comments. (its been over a month since he quit, they were coming weekly for a while.)

IF, and its still an IF, Trump sews up the Republican nomination, he will be causing whiplash to anyone watching with how fast he runs to the center, or even left. The man is for Universal Healthcare, he openly talks about it even now... (he wont use those words, but its what he describes). He is against foreign wars, against boots on the ground again in Iraq, (many Republicans are openly arguing for it.) It will be telling who he choses for a running mate, once he has the R nomination sewed up... will he really make a play for the Democratic voter by choosing a liberal, or will he pander to the religious right, as he is currently doing in Iowa, by choosing someone like Huckleberry?

One thing Trump is open about, is that once a deal is made (he gets the Republican nomination) you cannot count on him to stick to the terms.


So, who is the real Trump? Socially he is a New Yorker, pro-gay marriage and pro-liberalism. Economically he is an opportunist who seems to believe that managing the Governments economy is akin to operating his multi-billion dollar real-estate firm. This is not a good thing, he will fail.. but he wont simply open the treasury to big business and try to privatize local water utilities. The bottom line is that Trump does not have an underlying Conservative agenda, in fact, in some ways he wants a big government.

So.... My point, I am supporting him for the Republican nomination.

I believe HRC is a weak and flawed candidate. She does not connect well with the people and many women do not feel she represents them as a feminist. She might, I doubt it, get indicted. Her associates are more likely to get indicted. She might get elected, but I would not count on it.

My point is that if we have a real chance of the Democrats losing the White House, I would prefer Trump to a Conservative. I would prefer Trumps appointments to the Supreme Court than Cruz or Rubio's. I would prefer the health care system Trump will sign into law to the nothing that Cruz and Rubio would do about healthcare. I prefer not invading Iraq again over the boots on the ground Cruz and Rubio are promoting.

"TRUMP for Republican nominee in 16'"

There I said it.

That's just nuts, I would prefer Gary Johnson or Jill Stein to Trump. They are several options for people who don't want the business as usual, you don't have to vote Trump or Hillary.
 
So under that logic... The nation has lurched left! The Republicans are nominating a true centrest and the democrats have two left wing radicals?

Maybe, but it seems to me, Trump is in many areas left of HRC.
You have a knack of ignoring the obvious.
DC lurched left years ago and only kept running. Only younger people do not know this.
But the BIG point you are ignoring and it appears under his name a lot (and I made a post about this month's ago) he is about making America great AGAIN.
That means first returning us to prosperity from the under 1 % growth your team got us.
Forget homosexuals and all the petty distractions and get back to defending our borders and enabling prosperity.
This is the conservative way and nobody (maybe Noot and Romney a little) has been doing this.
That's the origin of his popularity and the reason the donkeys can't touch him.
 
You have a knack of ignoring the obvious.
DC lurched left years ago and only kept running. Only younger people do not know this.
But the BIG point you are ignoring and it appears under his name a lot (and I made a post about this month's ago) he is about making America great AGAIN.
That means first returning us to prosperity from the under 1 % growth your team got us.
Forget homosexuals and all the petty distractions and get back to defending our borders and enabling prosperity.
This is the conservative way and nobody (maybe Noot and Romney a little) has been doing this.
That's the origin of his popularity and the reason the donkeys can't touch him.

Except he's not talking about doing it the conservative way unless your argument is conservatism has always been equivalent to populism which I would argue it hasn't been.
 
So under that logic... The nation has lurched left! The Republicans are nominating a true centrest and the democrats have two left wing radicals?

Maybe, but it seems to me, Trump is in many areas left of HRC.

It's all part of the art of the deal.

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The deck has been stacked against gullible republicons.
Lol
 
Except he's not talking about doing it the conservative way unless your argument is conservatism has always been equivalent to populism which I would argue it hasn't been.

The conservative way is fiscal responsibility and a light hand from govt regs.
What you're thinking of is the republican way.
 
The conservative way is fiscal responsibility and a light hand from govt regs.
What you're thinking of is the republican way.

Conservatives want a light hand in regulations as far as business, but they want the government to be regulating people's personal lives heavily.

I personally like government regulations, I don't want lead in my drinking water or Listeria in my salad, I want safe drugs, safe roads, no price gouging. Conservatives always trust that government and business will do the right things, both in truth, but have to be regulated.
 
In some ways Trump is more liberal than HRC.

Honest Conservatives might consider supporting her over Trump if they want to support the candidate most conservative on the spectrum.

Hillary is no conservative lol. It would four more years of Obama. Maybe with an emphasis on women as victims instead of blacks. A sign of radicalism is instigating strife amongst blocs of voters. It's been a terrible thing for the country and we're starting to reap the whirlwind on account of it.

Trump's magic with the republican rank and file is that he's conservative where it matters most. Even many evangelicals [they know Trump doesn't know which testament the book of Job belongs in] would hold their nose on that aspect because immigration is such a problem it over rides their usual concerns in a candidate. Ditto on national defense. Same with trade policy and the economy.

The Republican establishment lost touch with the rank and file. They are actually surprised that so many people feel that it's reprehensible that the most powerful country on the planet can't/won't secure its own damn borders. Maybe it's because the establishment types jobs aren't threatened by illegals.

But yeah, Trump is a bit of smorgasbord beyond his conservative strong suits. The democrats will no doubt double-down on the Trump is a xenophobic hater blah-blah-blah rhetoric. They seem oblivious to the fact that illegal immigrants take democrats jobs too.
 
Conservatives want a light hand in regulations as far as business, but they want the government to be regulating people's personal lives heavily.

I personally like government regulations, I don't want lead in my drinking water or Listeria in my salad, I want safe drugs, safe roads, no price gouging. Conservatives always trust that government and business will do the right things, but in truth, but have to be regulated.

Conservatives don't have a problem with common sense regulations. Things have gotten way out of hand under Obama and Hillary would be more of the same.
 
The conservative way is fiscal responsibility and a light hand from govt regs.
What you're thinking of is the republican way.

Trump is not proposing the conservative way. Conservatism has never been about raising taxes and proposing big tariffs.
 
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