Why Does A Northeastern Yankee like Myself Hold Such A Strong Bond With The South?

maineman said:
That, of course, is bass-ackwards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)


The Democratic Party evolved from Anti-Federalist factions that opposed the fiscal policies of Alexander Hamilton in the early 1790s. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison organized these factions into the Democratic-Republican Party. The party favored states' rights and strict adherence to the Constitution; it opposed a national bank and wealthy, moneyed interests. The Democratic-Republican Party ascended to power in the election of 1800.
After the War of 1812, the party's chief rival, the Federalist Party, associated with the disloyalty and parochialism of the Hartford Convention, lost much of the favor it had previously enjoyed, and eventually disbanded in the late 1820s. Democratic-Republicans split over the choice of a successor to President James Monroe, and the party faction that supported many of the old Jeffersonian principles, led by Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren, became the Democratic Party.
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Wiki, LOL!

Now for facts:

Madison, in a letter to William Eustis, May 22, 1823:
It has been asserted that the Republicans have abandoned their cause, and gone over to the policy of their opponents. Here the effort equally fails. It is true, that under a great change of foreign circumstances, and with a doubled population, and more than doubled resources, the Republican party has been reconciled to certain measures and arrangements, which may be as proper now as they were premature and suspicious when urged by the champions of Federalism. But they overlook the overbearing and vindictive spirit, the Apocryphal doctrines and rash projects, which stamped on Federalism its distinctive character; and which are so much in contrast with the unassuming and un-avenging spirit which has marked the Republican ascendency. There has been, in fact, a deep distinction between the two parties, or, rather, between the mass of the Nation and the part of it which, for a time, got possession of the Government. The distinction has its origin in the confidence of the former in the capacity of mankind for self-government, and in a distrust of it by the other, or by its leaders; and is the key to many of the phenomena presented by our political history. In all free countries, somewhat of this distinction must be looked for; but it can never be dangerous in a well-informed community and a well-constructed Government; both of which, I trust, will be found to be the happy lot of the United States.
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Then there's the works of Jefferson, who together with Madison formed the Republican Party to "combat" Hamiltonian Federalists:
 

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The party to which you erroneously refer was the old Democratic-Republican Party founded by Madison and Jefferson. That party eventually split up and the democratic faction of Andrew Jackson became today's democratic party. The GOP did not begin. Until 1854 in Ripon, Wisconsin. Lifelong republicans would know that. Southern racist klansmen who were booted from the democratic party and came late to the GOP probably wouldn't.
 
That's your theory, apparently formed by reading wiki. However I have the words of both Jefferson and Madison which clearly state otherwise.
 
The party name was Democratic-Republican you fucking ignorant Southerner. It related to the two primary concepts of American government. Being long and cumbersome, they would always shorten it to Republican. The Federalist Party referred to the third facet of American government, and also alluded to support for the Constitution. Most people who became Democratic-Republicans had opposed ratification.

Washington, Hamilton, Adams, and Marshall were the political ancestors of Fremont and Lincoln's GOP. Also, Clay and Webster of the Whig Party were political ancestors. The slave-raping Jefferson was a political ancestor of Jackson.

Had Hamilton and Jackson been contemporaries, they likely would have dueled, and Jackson would have won. :(
 
Threedee said:
The party name was Democratic-Republican you fucking ignorant Southerner. It related to the two primary concepts of American government. Being long and cumbersome, they would always shorten it to Republican. The Federalist Party referred to the third facet of American government, and also alluded to support for the Constitution. Most people who became Democratic-Republicans had opposed ratification.

Washington, Hamilton, Adams, and Marshall were the political ancestors of Fremont and Lincoln's GOP. Also, Clay and Webster of the Whig Party were political ancestors. The slave-raping Jefferson was a political ancestor of Jackson.

Had Hamilton and Jackson been contemporaries, they likely would have dueled, and Jackson would have won. :(
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Interesting theories but simply unfounded.

Both Madison and Jefferson used the term "Republican" frequently, therefore that is the start of the Republican Party. In Lincoln's time rose the "Radical Republicans", radical meaning change, and they reformed the Grand Old Party. The basic precepts of the brand remain the same as in Jefferson's day, at least among the conservative wing: limited federal government, personal responsibility, and a classless society.

On the opposite side of the coin we have Hamilton. He believed himself to be a man of entitlement; that being smart, well educated, successful and therefore influential, entitled you to high office. His Federalists immediately began interpreting the Constitution as giving the federal government unlimited powers. The commoner was simply there to acknowledge the ruling class by casting his ballot and then shutting up. We see this 'ancestry' as you put it, throughout the history of the Democrat Party, first in slavery, then in segregation, and now in the elite media, elite entertainment industry, bureaucratic elitists such as Obama, Holder, Clinton, Rice, you name them. The Constitution is simply ignored now.
 
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=Democratic-Republican+Party
Here's another good link.

1) Hamilton is correct. If you are all those things, then you are entitled to high office. Especially over a high born aristocrat such as Jefferson and Madison.

2) the term Republican reappeared in opposition to Jackson before it was re-branded Whig. That movement, comprised of individuals such as Clay and Quincy Adams, had always been opponents of what you call the Republicans. Their temporary party (1828-30) was called National Republican.

3) Radical Republican just means staunch opponent of Andrew Johnson and staunch supporter of Reconstruction. All Republicans opposed Johnson and supported Reconstruction. Some just weren't committed enough to impeach him on partisan grounds or support Reconstruction in the wake of strong opposition and internal corruption and bureaucracy.
 
Actually... Let's let the official website of the GOP inform us all as to their history.

http://www.gop.com/our-party/our-history/

The People’s Party
It all started with people who opposed slavery. They were common, everyday people who bristled at the notion that men had any right to oppress their fellow man. In the early 1850’s, these anti-slavery activists found commonality with rugged individuals looking to settle in western lands, free of government charges. “Free soil, free labor, free speech, free men,” went the slogan. And it was thus in joint opposition to human enslavement and government tyranny that an enterprising people gave birth to the Republican Party.
In 1856, the Republicans became a national party by nominating John C. Fremont for President. Four years later, with the election of Abraham Lincoln in 1860, the Republicans firmly established themselves as a major political party. The name “Republican” was chosen because it alluded to equality and reminded individuals of Thomas Jefferson’s Democratic-Republican Party.
 
That was a sales pitch, because Jefferson was more popular than Hamilton, who's rediscovery wouldn't come until the 20th Century, along with Adams, late in the century. The GOP emerged from the Whigs, which emerged from former Federalists.
 
The GOP's own website traces its history back to the 1850's. i think it is funny that DY, who fancies himself as the world's greatest authority on just about everything, from seapower and the role of aircraft carriers in our nation's defense, to Talmudic scholarship, actually thinks he knows more about the birth of the republican party than the actual republican national committee. He's a racist, redneck, flaming gasbag... Nothing more.
 
Threedee said:
Yes, I do consider the Southern states to be conquered land. You should all secede from America again.
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You're going to get real angry when they take their money with them however. This is something I covered before being as much as you and your associates despise the southerners and they know it, it's their tax dollars you'll still want flowing in.
 
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maineman said:
Actually... Let's let the official website of the GOP inform us all as to their history.

http://www.gop.com/our-party/our-history/

The People’s Party
It all started with people who opposed slavery. They were common, everyday people who bristled at the notion that men had any right to oppress their fellow man. In the early 1850’s, these anti-slavery activists found commonality with rugged individuals looking to settle in western lands, free of government charges. “Free soil, free labor, free speech, free men,” went the slogan. And it was thus in joint opposition to human enslavement and government tyranny that an enterprising people gave birth to the Republican Party.
In 1856, the Republicans became a national party by nominating John C. Fremont for President. Four years later, with the election of Abraham Lincoln in 1860, the Republicans firmly established themselves as a major political party. The name “Republican” was chosen because it alluded to equality and reminded individuals of Thomas Jefferson’s Democratic-Republican Party.
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The Republican party was a sectional party designed to keep the country's wealth centered in the northeast. This was the main reason it existed in the first place. It was comprised of the old Whigs in which Lincoln was a member and before the Whigs, it and they were called the Federalists. One of it's branches were the abolitionists and another were the northern capitalists who's profits were protected by tariffs by way of the republican controlled federal government. These two groups were constantly at odds with each other and it were the northern capitalists who resented Lincoln whenever he appeared to kowtow to the abolitionists.

The Republican party DID NOT come into existence as an abolitionist party, it came into existence to protect northern capitalists and big business by way of governmental tariffs.
 
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DamnYankee said:
It was about slavery. Many Scot-Irish were conned into thinking it was about Northern aggression by the wealthy, influential slavers who had the legislature vote for secession.

Instead of telling the truth: "Hey, rednecks, who's ancestors we massacred, held as slaves and raped their women and children, fight for us so we can continue to have slaves and fuck toys, just a different color." Like the Democrats they are they lied and said: "Hey, noble warriors, fight for us to save your land and birthright from those bastard Northerners".
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Slavery caused the war but it wasn't why the war was fought. The war was fought primarily for money or rather lost profits for northern capitalists when the southern states seceded. These rich northern capitalists started pushing Lincoln and his party toward war more than any other factor once South Carolina announced it was leaving the union. The south was used as the cash cow of northern business interests especially concentrated in New York City and Wall Street.
 
Threedee said:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=Democratic-Republican+Party
Here's another good link.

1) Hamilton is correct. If you are all those things, then you are entitled to high office. Especially over a high born aristocrat such as Jefferson and Madison.

2) the term Republican reappeared in opposition to Jackson before it was re-branded Whig. That movement, comprised of individuals such as Clay and Quincy Adams, had always been opponents of what you call the Republicans. Their temporary party (1828-30) was called National Republican.

3) Radical Republican just means staunch opponent of Andrew Johnson and staunch supporter of Reconstruction. All Republicans opposed Johnson and supported Reconstruction. Some just weren't committed enough to impeach him on partisan grounds or support Reconstruction in the wake of strong opposition and internal corruption and bureaucracy.
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1. No you're not. Democrats think that though.
2,3. It appears you agree with me that the term "Republican" was used long before the 1850's, not like MM, the Yellow Democrat. You've got that right then. :good4u:
 
maineman said:
The People’s Party
It all started with... The name “Republican” was chosen because it alluded to equality and reminded individuals of Thomas Jefferson’s Democratic-Republican Party.
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That story is the history of the modern Republican Party and how it consolidated several factions in a common cause, against you filthy Democrat class-dividers and slavers, while retaining Jefferson's and Madison's roots.
 
philly rabbit said:
Slavery caused the war but it wasn't why the war was fought. The war was fought primarily for money or rather lost profits for northern capitalists when the southern states seceded. These rich northern capitalists started pushing Lincoln and his party toward war more than any other factor once South Carolina announced it was leaving the union. The south was used as the cash cow of northern business interests especially concentrated in New York City and Wall Street.
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Interesting theory, but it does nothing to support your contention that Scot-Irish fought for the Confederacy in large numbers.
 
DamnYankee said:
That story is the history of the modern Republican Party
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You're quite right. I think there was also a party in Lithuania back in the 1700's that called themselves the republican party as well.... And maybe Greece, too, from the 2nd Century BC. All of THOSE have just as much relevance and connection to today's GOP as that bogus crap you posted last night, professor.

Abraham Lincoln... Lincoln Rockwell... Norman Rockwell... Norman Bates...Master Bates....same words in their names... why DAYUM... They all must be the same darned fella!

I swear, sometimes you say shit that so fucking stupid, even I am srprised at it.
 
If you had the wherewithal to delve deeper into the history of the Party then you would see the clear connections that are based on political philosophy, not merely a name. But you, being a self-described Yellow, have no desire for truth.

Instead you express your need to interject your immoral sexual desires into an otherwise gentlemanly political discussion.
 
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