Who’s Right and Wrong in the Middle East?

[cancel2 2022]

Palestine became a United Nations recognized state in 2012.
Israel became a United Nations recognized state in 1948

There are two legitimate states. The one which is illegally occupying the other must withdraw.

So tell China to withdraw from the Spratly and Paracel islands!! You can come on here spouting the same old rhetoric day in and day out but it won't change anything. Israel will never negotiate with the Palestinians until they have fresh elections and a single entity representing them. You might as well accept that but I know you won't, it seems that you just want to drone on and on and on...ad nauseum.

 

[moon]

Israel doesn't have a legal or moral argument and is acting illegally. Nobody negotiates with muggers to get their possessions back. The Palestinians are being more than reasonable by simply OFFERING to talk to the criminal neoZionists.


Palestine became a United Nations recognized state in 2012.
Israel became a United Nations recognized state in 1948

There are two legitimate states. The one which is illegally occupying the other must withdraw.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Israel doesn't have a legal or moral argument and is acting illegally. Nobody negotiates with muggers to get their possessions back. The Palestinians are being more than reasonable by simply OFFERING to talk to the criminal neoZionists. Palestine became a United Nations recognized state in 2012. Israel became a United Nations recognized state in 1948 There are two legitimate states. The one which is illegally occupying the other must withdraw.

China is doing exactly that but you won't say anything about it. The Russians have captured many different territories including Kaliningrad and Karelia, the Chinese captured Tibet illegally as well. So there are plenty of legal precedents out there, but you will as always totally ignore them. http://www.salon.com/2014/03/27/7_parts_of_russia_that_other_countries_could_call_theirs_partner/

 

[moon]

China is doing exactly that but you won't say anything about it. The Russians have captured many different territories including Kaliningrad and Karelia, the Chinese captured Tibet illegally as well. So there are plenty of legal precedents out there, but you will as always totally ignore them. http://www.salon.com/2014/03/27/7_parts_of_russia_that_other_countries_could_call_theirs_partner/

It's an imperfect world. International law keeps us all alive. My concern is with its abuse by the neoZionist government of Israel- and that criminal faction's sycophants. Feel free to go attack Russia and China. Let us know how you get on. ' Bye.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Excellent article in the NYT, really sums up the situation in a nutshell. Where is Moonbat today, is he off sick? http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/20/o...-right-and-wrong-in-the-middle-east.html?_r=0

I have a friend who is an expert on ME foreign policy. A real wonk. I once asked him that same question. He said "Who is right? No one. Who is wrong? Everyone."

His analysis, which I believe to be accurate, is that the ME major problem is that most of it is still a fifteenth century feudal society and have not had the equivalent of a renaissance, or an enlightenment era revolution to change its social structure. This has created large numbers of disaffected people living a peasant subsistence frustrated as they see modernity and its prosperity passing them by. This is in no small measure the source of religious radicalization in the region.

 

[CFM]

Palestine became a United Nations recognized state in 2012.
Israel became a United Nations recognized state in 1948

There are two legitimate states. The one which is illegally occupying the other must withdraw.

Why don't you go throw some rocks at those you want gone and see how it works out for you.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

They're both wrong. All religious identity zealots are gay. Neither of them serve the interests of the American people.

youre so sexy when you're self righteous.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Isolationism now, isolationism forever.

Remember Pear Harbor!

 

[Darth Omar]

Palestine became a United Nations recognized state in 2012.
Israel became a United Nations recognized state in 1948

There are two legitimate states. The one which is illegally occupying the other must withdraw.

Historically, national Israel goes back thousands of years. It's amazing that facts need debated these days. The UN didn't exist until 1945 and it was basically a product of WWII and present day Israel is in some ways a product of it.

Maybe, if the Crusaders had conquered the whole of the M.E; then converted everyone to Christianity and made the region an extension of Europe, then maybe, they would have shared in the Enlightenment and we wouldn't be having this debate.

 

[Phantasmal]

Historically, national Israel goes back thousands of years. It's amazing that facts need debated these days. The UN didn't exist until 1945 and it was basically a product of WWII and present day Israel is in some ways a product of it.

Maybe, if the Crusaders had conquered the whole of the M.E; then converted everyone to Christianity and made the region and extension of Europe, then maybe, they would have shared in the Enlightenment and we wouldn't be having this debate.

Historically, Israel was destroyed many thousands of years ago, if we hadn't interfered and left it at that, we would definitely would not be having this debate.

 

[anatta]

Sanders wins greater say in Democratic platform; names pro-Palestinian activist
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...1_story.html?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_2_na

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Historically, national Israel goes back thousands of years. It's amazing that facts need debated these days. The UN didn't exist until 1945 and it was basically a product of WWII and present day Israel is in some ways a product of it.

Maybe, if the Crusaders had conquered the whole of the M.E; then converted everyone to Christianity and made the region an extension of Europe, then maybe, they would have shared in the Enlightenment and we wouldn't be having this debate.

Good lord Darth...you need to study history. Islam was a superior civilization to Europe in the 12th century and the Rennassaince largely occurred in Western Europe due to the influences and ideas that Crusaders learned from the ME.

That and the Mongol conquest opened the Silk Road and trade with the Middle East and East began that had enormous historical influences that ultimately lead to the Rennassaince, the Reformation and the Age of Enlightenment in the west.

Islam defeated the west while simultaneously being nearly exterpated by the Mongols. That is to say, they defeated the Crusaders with one hand tied behind its back.

My point being that the Crusades had a huge impact on the west and a negligible one in the Middle East and even if the Crusaders had won they would have been annihilated by the Mongols.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Historically, Israel was destroyed many thousands of years ago, if we hadn't interfered and left it at that, we would definitely would not be having this debate.

Israel ceased to exist as an Independent State when Pompey marched his legions into Israel in the first century BCE.

 

[iolo]

Anyone who, like the first poster, is naïve enough to see the mess created in the Middle East by colonialism in terms of 'right' and 'wrong' is too simple-minded to be worth reading. Colonialism, particularly 'Israeli' colonialism, stinks, but I thought we all knew that by now.

 

[Phantasmal]

Israel ceased to exist as an Independent State when Pompey marched his legions into Israel in the first century BCE.

The northern kingdom was destroyed before then by Assyria.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Those are uninhabited islands and their status is disputed. It's a much large violation to occupy inhabited territory and deny the citizens of that territory the right of self-determination than to occupy some atolls.

So what about Kaliningrad, Karelia and Tibet? The Russian Federation is a colonial occupier in the north Caucasus region, where Chechnya, Dagestan, and Ingushetia are populated by Muslim peoples, What about the Ogaden occupied by Ethiopia, or Kashmir by India? Oh and let's not forget Biafra which tried to break free from Nigeria in the 60s. Oh and the Kurds, whose country is split between Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey and Daesh.

 

[Airstrip One]

Remember Pear Harbor!

As a Washingtonian, I prefer apples, anyway.

 

[cancel2 2022]

The northern kingdom was destroyed before then by Assyria.

You should read this fascinating article by Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

Why Middle East Muslims are taught to hate Jews

For far too long the pervasive Middle Eastern qualification of Jews as murderers and bloodsuckers was dismissed in the West as an extreme view of radical fringe groups. But it is not. It is time for the region's secular movements to start a counter-education in tolerance.

Read more: http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Global-Viewpoint/2013/0124/Why-Middle-East-Muslims-are-taught-to-hate-Jews

 

[Darth Omar]

Anyone who, like the first poster, is naïve enough to see the mess created in the Middle East by colonialism in terms of 'right' and 'wrong' is too simple-minded to be worth reading. Colonialism, particularly 'Israeli' colonialism, stinks, but I thought we all knew that by now.

Damn Ottoman colonialists lol.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Damn Ottoman colonialists lol.

The English civilised the Welsh but they missed a few like Iolo.