Who says walls don't work?

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What makes this whole discussion inane is that no one is opposed to border security, walls for that matter, just Trump's "big beautiful thirty foot high shinny wall," which pretty much stands the potential to be the newest bridge to nowhere. They talk as if there doesn't exist barriers today, and the border is just a wide open field, and Trump's Wall is going to end all that

Walls don't work, at best, short term solutions that often create additional problems down the road. Fact is Trump married himself to the simpleton concept of a Wall and now that America knows it is a folly he is still stuck with it
 
archives said:
What makes this whole discussion inane is that no one is opposed to border security, walls for that matter, just Trump's "big beautiful thirty foot high shinny wall," which pretty much stands the potential to be the newest bridge to nowhere. They talk as if there doesn't exist barriers today, and the border is just a wide open field, and Trump's Wall is going to end all that

Walls don't work, at best, short term solutions that often create additional problems down the road. Fact is Trump married himself to the simpleton concept of a Wall and now that America knows it is a folly he is still stuck with it
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the border has vast gaps of wilderness. where the wall was built like around san diego it does work.

You need about 30 feet to prevent scaling. It's not a bridge it's a wall to keep out illegals.

Wall are the single best way to stop migration - it's why they have been built a a rapid pace around the world since 2000
 
noise said:
the border has vast gaps of wilderness. where the wall was built like around san diego it does work.

You need about 30 feet to prevent scaling. It's not a bridge it's a wall to keep out illegals.

Wall are the single best way to stop migration - it's why they have been built a a rapid pace around the world since 2000
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Mine fields work much better. They really do.
 
Fentoine Lum said:
Every place we send our military to destabilize and fuck things up for the benefit of our Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class? All Cuba or any Latin/South American nation did to get on America’s frenetic “socialist/communist” list was to toss out US corporations so they couldn’t do there to their people what they do here to ours. Good for them.
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As long as you're still happy with all of the murders committed by the Castro regime.
 
Legion said:
Is that right, grandpa? How many centuries did it take for a Mongol ARMY to breach the wall?
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CatsGuts is ignoring several situations involving China's Great Wall:

Did the Great Wall pose any sort of challenge to Genghis Khan's invasion force?

At the time of Genghis's Mongol invasion around 1211, the Great Wall was still mainly earthen ramparts which posed some issues to his cavalry mounted force. However, Genghis and his generals exploited the Juyongguan Pass which was a mountain pass that was not heavily defended. Though these forces posed a risk, they were overcome easily by Genghis horde who then flooded into southern China.

AND

As Mynameph says, the Great Wall as we know it is largely a creation of the Ming. However, he left out an even more important factor, namely that the Mongol conquests did not exist in a vacuum.
The conquests came at the end of a long period of what I will dub "central Asian ascendance" in East Asia (and elsewhere in many ways), which began roughly at the period of the collapse of the Tang. During the ensuing chaos, great swaths of norther China were taken by a central Asian group called the Khitans. The Song dynasty initially attempted to (re)conquer those regions, but were repulsed and, for reasons financial and political, the Song court decided that they weren't going to jeopardize the rest of China for the northern regions, which weren't particularly important anyway. This is the period called the "Northern Song".
However, a new group arose in modern day Manchuria called the Jurchen. The Song saw this as an opportunity to fulfill the old Chinese diplomatic tactic of "using barbarians to fight barbarians". Unfortunately for them, the Jurchen didn't stop at the Khitan territory, and far from gaining back their old provinces in the ensuing conflict the Jurchen took the whole of north China including the "heartland" of the Yellow River. When the Song dynasty regrouped in south China, it represented only about 60% of the Chinese population. this period is called the "Southern Song". I should note in all fairness that the real story is much more complicated and I gave a very Sinocentric presentation.
Now--and by "now" I mean "in about a century"--enter the Mongols. They did not conquer a united China, and the Jurchen had no real ability to garrison the fortifications that would be strengthened and consolidated during the Ming to become the Great Wall.

At least CatsGuts has delusions to keep itself warm at night. :good4u:
 
archives said:
What makes this whole discussion inane is that no one is opposed to border security, walls for that matter, just Trump's "big beautiful thirty foot high shinny wall," which pretty much stands the potential to be the newest bridge to nowhere. They talk as if there doesn't exist barriers today, and the border is just a wide open field, and Trump's Wall is going to end all that

Walls don't work, at best, short term solutions that often create additional problems down the road. Fact is Trump married himself to the simpleton concept of a Wall and now that America knows it is a folly he is still stuck with it
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So people you don't know, just walk into your home; even if they're not invited??
 
noise said:
the border has vast gaps of wilderness. where the wall was built like around san diego it does work.

You need about 30 feet to prevent scaling. It's not a bridge it's a wall to keep out illegals.

Wall are the single best way to stop migration - it's why they have been built a a rapid pace around the world since 2000
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A barrior works, it doesn't have to be a "big beautiful shinny thirty foot wall," employing technology would work better serve the purpose. The Gov't only owns something like thirty percent of the land, the mere talk of a "big shiny beautiful wall" is self defeating

And again, walls only work on a short term basis, and even then the ones sucessful have full time military presence

If Trump thinks it will work why isn't he forcing Mexico to pay for it as he promised?
 
anchovies said:
A barrior works, it doesn't have to be a "big beautiful shinny thirty foot wall," employing technology would work better serve the purpose. The Gov't only owns something like thirty percent of the land, the mere talk of a "big shiny beautiful wall" is self defeating And again, walls only work on a short term basis, and even then the ones sucessful have full time military presence If Trump thinks it will work why isn't he forcing Mexico to pay for it as he promised?
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Drinking this evening, anchovies?
 
archives said:
A barrior works, it doesn't have to be a "big beautiful shinny thirty foot wall," employing technology would work better serve the purpose. The Gov't only owns something like thirty percent of the land, the mere talk of a "big shiny beautiful wall" is self defeating

And again, walls only work on a short term basis, and even then the ones sucessful have full time military presence

If Trump thinks it will work why isn't he forcing Mexico to pay for it as he promised?
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It's apparent that liberals are desperate for immediate satisfaction (I blame it on their helicopter parents and those participation trophies); but adults understand and realize that usually the best approach is to address one problem area at a time and then move on to the next most pressing one.

Patience young Padawan.
Patience.

:D
 
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