Who Paid A Higher Effective Federal Tax Rate Than Romney?

Mott the Hoople said:
That's not Romney's fault. Hell I'd use the tax break too. It's just a very, very bad law that sets a horrible example that investment income is more important then productive income. Investment income should be taxed at the same progressive rate as employment income.
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Good idea. Let's implement it right now, and come November, the economy will be SO FUCKED UP, we can guarantee Obama's defeat. :clink:
 
Dungheap said:
Maybe you should re-read post #4. I'm not bitching about Romney maximizing his deductions. I'm bitching about (1) the fact that his effective rate is ridiculously low for his level of income and (2) that he is campaigning on a platform that would make the tax code more favorable to people like him.

Try to keep up, SF.
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Yet you also wrote:

Originally Posted by Dungheap View Post
Because he wants every rich person to pay more, himself included, and wants the laws changed to make that happen. Of course everyone will maximize their deductions. That's the way the world works. Warren Buffet voluntarily paying more taxes doesn't change the inherent unfairness of the system, which is what ought to be addressed.
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Which brings me back to the point of the ever hypocritical left. So many wealthy DEMS SAY that they and those like them should pay more, yet NONE of them do. NONE of them lead by example. The ONLY way they will pay more is if the government FORCES them to do so along with everyone in their brackets. It is pathetic.
 
Superfreak said:
Yet you also wrote:



Which brings me back to the point of the ever hypocritical left. So many wealthy DEMS SAY that they and those like them should pay more, yet NONE of them do. NONE of them lead by example. The ONLY way they will pay more is if the government FORCES them to do so along with everyone in their brackets. It is pathetic.
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I see. So you are a hypocrite if you are rich and advocate for all rich people paying more in taxes, yourself included, if you don't voluntarily do so yourself. But it's perfectly kosher to be a rich guy who pays little in taxes and advocates for rich people paying less in taxes? That's such horseshit and it's the same stunt the right-wing dumbasses pull all the time.

You have to be poor to advocate for the poor. If you want to change campaign finance laws, you have to run a campaign with one had tied behind your back. If you want to advocate for environmental policy, you have to live like Saul of Tarsus and not use any modern conveniences or modern means of transportation. And, if you want to advocate for a change in tax policy to make the tax code more fundamentally fair, you have to pay more in taxes than you are required to pay.

It's nonsense on stilts.
 
Dungheap said:
I see. So you are a hypocrite if you are rich and advocate for all rich people paying more in taxes, yourself included, if you don't voluntarily do so yourself. But it's perfectly kosher to be a rich guy who pays little in taxes and advocates for rich people paying less in taxes? That's such horseshit and it's the same stunt the right-wing dumbasses pull all the time.

You have to be poor to advocate for the poor. If you want to change campaign finance laws, you have to run a campaign with one had tied behind your back. If you want to advocate for environmental policy, you have to live like Saul of Tarsus and not use any modern conveniences or modern means of transportation. And, if you want to advocate for a change in tax policy to make the tax code more fundamentally fair, you have to pay more in taxes than you are required to pay.

It's nonsense on stilts.
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i can't believe you're actually claiming that not paying more taxes is not hypocritical. of course it is. it is simply do as i say, not as a do rhetoric.
 
Dungheap said:
I see. So you are a hypocrite if you are rich and advocate for all rich people paying more in taxes, yourself included, if you don't voluntarily do so yourself.
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Yes. Most certainly. NOTHING is stopping them from living up to the standard they wish to FORCE on others. NOTHING.

But it's perfectly kosher to be a rich guy who pays little in taxes and advocates for rich people paying less in taxes? That's such horseshit and it's the same stunt the right-wing dumbasses pull all the time.
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1) I have stated my position on capital gains.
2) Is it kosher for them to use the tax code as it is written? Absolutely. The 'rich people' pay a higher percentage of federal income taxes today than they did ten or twenty years ago. The left wing dumbasses always fail to grasp that fact.
3) Does that mean the tax code should remain as is or be moved more in the favor of those that derive income from cap gains? Hell no. But at least his position is not hypocritical.

You have to be poor to advocate for the poor. If you want to change campaign finance laws, you have to run a campaign with one had tied behind your back. If you want to advocate for environmental policy, you have to live like Saul of Tarsus and not use any modern conveniences or modern means of transportation. And, if you want to advocate for a change in tax policy to make the tax code more fundamentally fair, you have to pay more in taxes than you are required to pay.
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ROFLMAO... what a load of shit. If you wish to LEAD by example, then yes, you need to pay those higher taxes you are championing. If you wish to advocate for greater constraints on our environmental footprints, all the while living in a home that is far in excess of what you need, traveling by private jet, limos etc... then yes, you are a fucking hypocrite. No one is suggesting environmentalists give up all modern conveniences. But there is NO justification for a 20000 square foot home. NONE. Unless you are housing another 10 people in there. Then maybe. You do not have to be poor to advocate for the poor, that is just a gross failure of an analogy.

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Dungheap said:
Because he wants every rich person to pay more, himself included, and wants the laws changed to make that happen. Of course everyone will maximize their deductions. That's the way the world works. Warren Buffet voluntarily paying more taxes doesn't change the inherent unfairness of the system, which is what ought to be addressed.
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And here I thought that the Democrats believed in Lead By Example!!

OH-WAIT, they are; just not the way they want us to believe.
 
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