White House: "Even Hitler didn't gas his own people."

Sailor said:
Today is not then. I am not being a bonehead here, just stating historical fact. They were stripped of their German citizenship. During that time (at least according to the Nazi's) they were stateless people. As much as I think it was a stupid statement by the Trump administration, legally and technically it is correct.
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To be clear...you draw the line at the perceptions of deranged individuals?
 
anatta said:
it was to show it wasn't used on the battlefield -that was a valid point.
It was extraneous -but valid
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They didn't have a chance to use it on the battlefield. That wasn't a valid point. Nor were their own citizens attacking Germany for Hitler to have a reason to gas them in their houses and buildings to stop them from deposing him, Germany wasn't in a civil war. He shipped off millions, stuck them in chambers and made them die in a horrifc way with poisonous gases.
 
Sailor said:
Do not play games with me Jarod. You are an attorney. Words and laws have meaning. At the time they were not German citizens according to the Nazi's. Historical fact like it or not.
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According to the majority of the citizens in this nation, trump is not the POTUS. Historical fact, like it or not.

Now what does that have to do with anything?
 
Element-22-Cat said:
Come on sailor, certainly you can't really seriously be trying to wordsmith this into something other than Hitler sending German citizens into the gas chambers. Stripping them of their citizenship doesn't change what he did.

Let's face it, Spicer is a major league idiot for even bringing the comparison up.
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Well...he's just the puppet. This came from Bannon
 
Element-22-Cat said:
They didn't have a chance to use it on the battlefield. That wasn't a valid point. Nor were their own citizens attacking Germany for Hitler to have a reason to gas them in their houses and buildings to stop them from deposing him, Germany wasn't in a civil war. He shipped off millions stuck them in chambers and made them die in a horrific way.
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the point was Hitler did not use any poison gas in WWII. I've said it was extraneous, ill conceived and immediatel walked back.
It's ridiculous to keep harping on it.
 
anatta said:
the point was Hitler did not use any poison gas in WWII. I've said it was extraneous, ill conceived and immediatel walked back.
It's ridiculous to keep harping on it.
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And that is an INCREDIBLY STUPID AND IRRELEVANT point to make.

What is ridiculous is to defend or attempt to defend such as ridiculous comparison for Spicer to make in a pathetic attempt to make Assad look worse than he already is.
 
Element-22-Cat said:
And that is an INCREDIBLY STUPID AND IRRELEVANT point to make.

What is ridiculous is to defend or attempt to defend such as ridiculous comparison for Spicer to make in a pathetic attempt to make Assad look worse than he already is.
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who's defending it? not me, not the WH..
it's putting it in context as a misstatement -ginned up for no reason other then hyperbole by Spicer..

I can't believe this is the "takeaway"from today's events. 2 press conferences,and Tillerson in Russia
Yet Jake Tapper is running with it and a "visit to the Holacaust museum is in order"

This is stupid. I'm sure FB will have 20 feeds on this :palm:
 
anatta said:
who's defending it? not me, not the WH..
it's putting it in context as a misstatement -ginned up for no reason other then hyperbole..
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Yes you are defending it. Or attempting to defend it. When you try to explain it away with "technicalities" that are meaningless to the actual intended comparison, that is defending it. It was idiotic and Spicer should be ashamed of himself for blithering such a thing.

I can't believe this is the "takeaway"from todays events. 2 press conferences,and Tillerson in Russia
Yet Jake Tapper is running with it and a "visit to the Holacaust museum is in order"

This is stupid.
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Blame the idiot who said it. Why do you have to try to make Assad into anything but what he already is? He's been a gas tossing, barrel tossing, civilian killing asshole for years now.

But hey, he didn't build a bunch of giant gas chambers and send millions of his own citizens into them and gas them to death, hey maybe he ain't so bad.
 
Jarod said:
I don't, I suspect they considered themselves Hitlers people as much as those gassed by Assad considers themselves ASssad's people.

I'm an Americans but I absolutely do not consider myself one of Rump's people.
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so then trumps statement would be accurate then. Hitler didn't gas his own people
 
Not a very intelligent statement whomever said it.
Hitler used chemical weapons. International law forbids that. And the world stood up to him, defeated his army and helped rid the earth of such evil.
Which is exactly the point at hand. Trump has stated repeatedly we are not to get involved in the Syrian civil war. We are in Syria to defeat ISIS. the chemical weapons was another issue all together.

Is there to be any peace in Syria with Assad in power? our stance is NO.
That does not mean we are going to remove him. We may try to influence Russia to convince Assad he has to go, but make no mistake we will team with Russia, Assad, or anyone else willing to help us defeat ISIS.
There is no enemy to the USA worse than that cause.
 
Element-22-Cat said:
Yes you are defending it. Or attempting to defend it. When you try to explain it away with "technicalities" that are meaningless to the actual intended comparison, that is defending it. It was idiotic and Spicer should be ashamed of himself for blithering such a thing.
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I am absolutely NOT defending it. I am putting it into the context he meant, which I agree was extraneous/erroneous.

it was walked back and clarified to mean not using gas attacks on a battlefield.

If you want to continue to harp on it -join the mindless media, but do NOT tell me what I am doing.
I'm not going to debate your take on it -go for it -it would just drag this out
but do not accuse me of defending the boneheaded statement

Blame the idiot who said it. Why do you have to try to make Assad into anything but what he already is? He's been a gas tossing, barrel tossing, civilian killing asshole for years now.
But hey, he didn't build a bunch of giant gas chambers and send millions of his own citizens into them and gas them to death, hey maybe he ain't so bad.
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t was unneeded hyperbole and poorly written..It was one line. I'm over it. I'm not getting into this silliness further.
 
anatta said:
I am absolutely NOT defending it. I am putting it into the context he meant, which I agree was extraneous.
Don't tell me my motivations..it was walked back and clarified to man not using gas attacks on a battlefield.
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There is no valid context for what he meant. NONE. And I will tell you what your motivations are because there is no VALID reason to even attempt to clarify his statement in any sort of context. It was just an incredibly stupid thing to say.

If you want to continue to harp on it -join the mindless media, but do NOT tell me what I am doing.
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I shall point out exactly what you are doing. If you don't like it then don't make posts that try to "technically" resolve the idiotic thing Spicer said.

I'm not going to debate your take on it -go for it -t would just drag this out but do not accuse me of defending the boneheaded statement

t was unneeded hyperbole and poorly written..It was one line. I'm over it. I'm not getting into this silliness further.
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Well then I expect you won't reply to this post then. But from experience, I've heard this one before.
 
Element-22-Cat said:
Come on sailor, certainly you can't really seriously be trying to wordsmith this into something other than Hitler sending German citizens into the gas chambers. Stripping them of their citizenship doesn't change what he did.

Let's face it, Spicer is a major league idiot for even bringing the comparison up.
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Hitler did not consider them citizens or his people.. Hitler would never gas the ubermenshen
 
tsuke said:
Hitler did not consider them citizens or his people.. Hitler would never gas the ubermenshen
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So Assad can simply say the people he gassed are not considered citizens, they lost that stature when they attacked their own government.

And voila, all is forgiven, Assad never gassed his own citizens.
 
Element-22-Cat said:
There is no valid context for what he meant. NONE. And I will tell you what your motivations are because there is no VALID reason to even attempt to clarify his statement in any sort of context. It was just an incredibly stupid thing to say.

I shall point out exactly what you are doing. If you don't like it then don't make posts that try to "technically" resolve the idiotic thing Spicer said.

Well then I expect you won't reply to this post then. But from experience, I've heard this one before.
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he had an obvious meaning that was completely screwed up by himself.
Pointing out the obvious meaning is not DEFENDING IT - that statement was not defensible per se,
but the underlying meaning was there.

I agree it was completely un-necessary to further demonize Assad,but keeping this alive as some kina
importance more then in passing is worthless..

and if you keep telling my motivations - you are simply being argumentative for no reason.
I understood what he said. I understand how butchered it was, i'm looking at it as a picayune issue
when there is SO MUCH more news today. If you want to focus on this -fine - I think it's stupid -my motivations

PS. 3 FB feeds already on this..
 
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