Where is Trump's Beautiful Healthcare Plan? Here's Warren's...

[LV426]

The gov't can't even run the VA right.

It depends what VA facility you go to...some of them are run quite well.

And people with pre-existing conditions can't even join the military.

Depends what condition...the military had to lower its bar because no one wants to join.

You're just a stupid greedy angry old White socialist bitch that wants to burden children with your fucking bills.

This attempt to portray liberals are racist is really sad since you're the ones who think Nazis are "very fine people".

 

[LV426]

What's it going to cost you and me?

Well, right now, the average worker pays 11.6% of their income to their health care.

For someone who makes the median household income of $61,000, that's $7,000 a year.

Under Sanders' M4A proposal, the tax you would pay in lieu of OOPE would be 4%.

4% of $61,000 = $2,440.

Is $2,440 > or < $7,000?

So you'd save probably about $4,500 a year with M4A, and you'd be able to go to any doctor you wanted, no referrals, no provider networks, none of it.

Total freedom and choice.

Who doesn't like choice?

 

[CFM]

Well, right now, the average worker pays 11.6% of their income to their health care.

For someone who makes the median household income of $61,000, that's $7,000 a year.

Under Sanders' M4A proposal, the tax you would pay in lieu of OOPE would be 4%.

4% of $61,000 = $2,440.

Is $2,440 > or < $7,000?

So you'd save probably about $4,500 a year with M4A, and you'd be able to go to any doctor you wanted, no referrals, no provider networks, none of it.

Total freedom and choice.

Who doesn't like choice?

I pay 0% of my income toward insurance premiums and an annual max of $1000 out of pocket assuming I pay that much.

Tell me how a max of $1000 is more than 4% of my income which is far greater than the amount you used.

 

[Bigdog]

It depends what VA facility you go to...some of them are run quite well.

Link to how what percentage are run "quite well" or shut your lying pie hole.
I use one in a giant liberal run city, and I think it sucks. They are always taking my doctors away from me.

Depends what condition...the military had to lower its bar because no one wants to join.

Liar. You're just making shit up like the typical low information libtard.

This attempt to portray liberals are racist is really sad since you're the ones who think Nazis are "very fine people".

A debunked Lie. You are the party that hates Israel and the Jews. Just ask your bigoted racist congressional swuadettes.

 

[LV426]

Link to how what percentage are run "quite well" or shut your lying pie hole.

You like Military Times, right?

VA hospitals often the best option for medical care, study finds
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...the-best-option-for-medical-care-study-finds/

Liar. You're just making shit up like the typical low information libtard.

U.S. Army pushes to boost recruiting in Phoenix amid its enlistment crisis
https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...hoenix-amid-its-enlistment-crisis/1893315001/

A debunked Lie. You are the party that hates Israel and the Jews. Just ask your bigoted racist congressional swuadettes.

The GOP has only two Jewish reps in the House and 0 in the Senate.

Democrats have 25 Jewish reps in the House and 9 in the Senate (if you include Bernie).

So, is 2 > or < 34?

 

[Life is Golden]

How is it "good"?

Your insurance plan limits what doctors you can go see to those in your provider network; so lack of choice is "good"?

I have a PPO, there are no limits on which doctors I can see and why I choose PPO over HMO or EPO.

 

[TOP]

Well, right now, the average worker pays 11.6% of their income to their health care.

For someone who makes the median household income of $61,000, that's $7,000 a year.

Under Sanders' M4A proposal, the tax you would pay in lieu of OOPE would be 4%.

4% of $61,000 = $2,440.

Is $2,440 > or < $7,000?

So you'd save probably about $4,500 a year with M4A, and you'd be able to go to any doctor you wanted, no referrals, no provider networks, none of it.

Total freedom and choice.

Who doesn't like choice?

You and Elizabeth really need to check your math....
I don't see total freedom, choice, or lower costs....or guarantees/evidence of what you posted...
Or know anyone who likes it....
I appreciate your "enthusiasm", though

 

[LV426]

I have a PPO, there are no limits on which doctors I can see and why I choose PPO over HMO or EPO.

Right, but you have to pay to do that.

Much more out of pocket, plus the deductibles, drug costs, coinsurance, copays, etc.

In the end, you're defending a business model that does nothing to improve or enhance the care you are given.

 

[Bigdog]

You like Military Times, right?

VA hospitals often the best option for medical care, study finds
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...the-best-option-for-medical-care-study-finds/




U.S. Army pushes to boost recruiting in Phoenix amid its enlistment crisis
https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...hoenix-amid-its-enlistment-crisis/1893315001/




The GOP has only two Jewish reps in the House and 0 in the Senate.

Democrats have 25 Jewish reps in the House and 9 in the Senate (if you include Bernie).

So, is 2 > or < 34?

Your links don't answer the questions, dumbfuck. You are dishonest as hell.

There are self-loathing Jews, just like there are self-loathing Whites like you and the filthy rich Hollywood libs. The whole Dam Democrat party hates Israel, and millenial favorites Ilhan and Tlaib lead the way now.

Is an all Black group racist because they are all Black? Only according to liberal logic.

 

[LV426]

You and Elizabeth really need to check your math....

No, you need to actually do math.

The math is quite simple.

Right now, the average worker pays $5,500 in premiums and another $1,500 in deductibles and OOPE for health care. That's in addition to your employer paying $15,000. So in all, it costs over $22,000 for a business to provide a worker with health care.

The median HH income in this country is $61,000, so that means the average worker pays 11.5% ($7,000/$61,000) for their health care, and that health care is often limited to just those within the provider network. You don't have the option to comparatively or competitively shop for your health care. You settle on a doctor that you might think is good, but how do you know for sure with no frame of reference? You would comparatively shop for a car or a house, so why wouldn't you want to do the same thing for your health?

You haven't bothered to refute the math as I laid it out. Instead, you very lazily and sloppily post an ad-hoc response without offering a counterpoint. And you do that because you're lazy.

I don't see total freedom, choice, or lower costs....or guarantees/evidence of what you posted...

That is simply because you don't know what health insurance is, what insurance companies do, and how any of it relates to your health care because no one has explained it to you. It's not your fault that no one bothered to explain it, but it is your fault for not understanding it presently.

Or know anyone who likes it....

Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA all have higher patient satisfaction ratings than all forms of private insurance.

Americans With Government Health Plans Most Satisfied
https://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-health-plans-satisfied.aspx

So it would seem that you are in the minority.

 

[CFM]

No, you need to actually do math.

The math is quite simple.

Right now, the average worker pays $5,500 in premiums and another $1,500 in deductibles and OOPE for health care. That's in addition to your employer paying $15,000. So in all, it costs over $22,000 for a business to provide a worker with health care.

The median HH income in this country is $61,000, so that means the average worker pays 11.5% ($7,000/$61,000) for their health care, and that health care is often limited to just those within the provider network. You don't have the option to comparatively or competitively shop for your health care. You settle on a doctor that you might think is good, but how do you know for sure with no frame of reference? You would comparatively shop for a car or a house, so why wouldn't you want to do the same thing for your health?

You haven't bothered to refute the math as I laid it out. Instead, you very lazily and sloppily post an ad-hoc response without offering a counterpoint. And you do that because you're lazy.




That is simply because you don't know what health insurance is, what insurance companies do, and how any of it relates to your health care because no one has explained it to you.




Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA all have higher patient satisfaction ratings than all forms of private insurance.

Americans With Government Health Plans Most Satisfied
https://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-health-plans-satisfied.aspx

So it would seem that you are in the minority.

It seems you are and that's why you support this thing, boy.

 

[LV426]

Your links don't answer the questions, dumbfuck. You are dishonest as hell.

You asked about whether or not VA facilities are run well, so I post a link from military times that says they are, and your response is to pretend you didn't read it.

There are self-loathing Jews, just like there are self-loathing Whites like you and the filthy rich Hollywood libs. The whole Dam Democrat party hates Israel, and millenial favorites Ilhan and Tlaib lead the way now.

Go with that argument as your Jewish voter outreach and see how it does for you.

Omar and Tlaib have both endorsed Bernie Sanders, who (checks notes) is Jewish.

Is an all Black group racist because they are all Black? Only according to liberal logic.

You want to desperately paint liberals as racist because you are too afraid to confront your own inherent racism, poor judgment, shit instincts, and rotten character.

 

[Bigdog]

You asked about whether or not VA facilities are run well, so I post a link from military times that says they are, and your response is to pretend you didn't read it.




Go with that argument as your Jewish voter outreach and see how it does for you.

Omar and Tlaib have both endorsed Bernie Sanders, who (checks notes) is Jewish.



You want to desperately paint liberals as racist because you are too afraid to confront your own inherent racism, poor judgment, shit instincts, and rotten character.

You lack reading comprehension if you really believe that is what I aske dabout the VA. Let me know when the gov't runs 98# of them "quite well".

Bernie is only a Jew of convenience. Let me know how he champions Isreael and the Jews.

"The white Liberal differs from the white Conservative only in one way; the Liberal is more deceitful, more hypocritical, than the Conservative. Both want power, but the White Liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro's friend and benefactor and by winning the friendship and support of the Negro, the White Liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or a weapon in this political football game, that is constantly raging, between the White Liberals and the White Conservatives. The American Negro is nothing, but a political "football game" that is constantly raging between the white liberals and white conservatives" - Malcom X

When you liberals get the race war you are dying to start, Black Americans will defy your commands and sit on the sidelines, not on the frontlines where you white liberals deem they should be. They will watch you white liberals aghast and cowering in fear that you have to fight your own fight, and laugh at you.

 

[LV426]

You lack reading comprehension if you really believe that is what I aske dabout the VA. Let me know when the gov't runs 98# of them "quite well".

There was a study.

If you bothered to open the link, you'd have seen it.

Laziness seems to be the Conservative excuse for everything these days.

 

[LV426]

Bernie is only a Jew of convenience. Let me know how he champions Isreael and the Jews.

It's antisemitic to say that because you're Jewish, you must defend everything Israel does.

Your support of Israel is only for convenience; the ultimate goal is to bring about the end times and the arrival of the Messiah which would result in almost all Jews being murdered or forcibly converted.

Also, how does one be a Jew "of convenience"? What does that mean?

When you liberals get the race war you are dying to start, Black Americans will defy your commands and sit on the sidelines, not on the frontlines where you white liberals deem they should be. They will watch you white liberals aghast and cowering in fear that you have to fight your own fight, and laugh at you.

You are furiously masturbating to a fever dream of a race war that will never happen.

Plus, you lost the last one and still seem unable to get over that loss. Geez, it was 154 years ago. Get over it already.

 

[Bigdog]

There was a study.

If you bothered to open the link, you'd have seen it.

Laziness seems to be the Conservative excuse for everything these days.

Yeah, a local study about heart ailments. That's why you did NOT post the relevant info here. Because there was Nome, fucker.

 

[LV426]

Yeah, a local study about heart ailments.

Nope.

See, when you don't open links, you end up fucking yourself over in the debate.

Then you have to spend all your time walking back what you said earlier.

That's why you did NOT post the relevant info here.

I literally linked to a study called "Veterans Health Administration Hospitals Outperform Non–Veterans Health Administration Hospitals in Most Health Care Markets"

From that study: "In a new study, researchers from The Dartmouth Institute for Health Policy and Clinical Practice and the White River Junction VA Medical Center in White River Junction, Vermont, used the most current publicly available data to compare health outcomes for VA and non-VA hospitals within 121 local healthcare markets that included both a VA medical center and a non-VA hospital."

Your problem is that you rush through responses because you can't control yourself.

You act on impulse, which is why your judgment sucks.

 

[LV426]

Yeah, a local study about heart ailments. :

Only if by "local" you mean 121 different locations across the country.

Weeks and West identified 15 outcome measures that were reported by VHA and non-VHA hospitals by using data from Hospital Compare, a Centers for Medicaid & Medicare Studies (CMS) website which provides information on how well hospitals provide recommended care to their patients. These measures included 30-day risk-adjusted mortality rates for four common diseases—acute myocardial infarction, COPD, heart failure, and pneumonia—plus 11 additional patient safety indicators. They used each hospital’s ZIP code to assign the hospital to one of 306 hospital referral regions—limiting their analyses to the 121 regions in which at least one VHA and one non-VHA hospital reported at least one of the measures. (The Dartmouth Atlas of Health Care defines these regions as distinct health care markets.) The researchers found that VA hospitals were likely to provide the best care in a local health care market and rarely provided the worst care in local markets.

So you lied. It wasn't "local" and it wasn't "heart ailments".

You lied about the study.

You lied.

 

[Bigdog]

It's antisemitic to say that because you're Jewish, you must defend everything Israel does.

Your support of Israel is only for convenience; the ultimate goal is to bring about the end times and the arrival of the Messiah which would result in almost all Jews being murdered or forcibly converted.

Also, how does one be a Jew "of convenience"? What does that mean?




You are furiously masturbating to a fever dream of a race war that will never happen.

Plus, you lost the last one and still seem unable to get over that loss. Geez, it was 154 years ago. Get over it already.

Bullshit liberal lies. And I dont' give a fuck about end times. You want to see Death to Israel which is the only thing that will make you happy.


Don't ask me, read Malcom X. His comments fit modern white liberals to a T.

"The white Liberal differs from the white Conservative only in one way; the Liberal is more deceitful, more hypocritical, than the Conservative. Both want power, but the White Liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro's friend and benefactor and by winning the friendship and support of the Negro, the White Liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or a weapon in this political football game, that is constantly raging, between the White Liberals and the White Conservatives. The American Negro is nothing, but a political "football game" that is constantly raging between the white liberals and white conservatives" - Malcom X

 

[LV426]

Bullshit liberal lies.

34 Jewish Democrats in the Senate and House.

2 Jewish Republicans in the Senate and House.