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Don't get your blood pressure up. I am talking about Europe benefitting. Iraq is a separate story
As for my last sentence. It is very clear Social Security and Medicare are welfare programs
What would you cut?
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Don't get your blood pressure up. I am talking about Europe benefitting. Iraq is a separate story
As for my last sentence. It is very clear Social Security and Medicare are welfare programs
dixon76710
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Early in the campaign, a majority of Iraqis saw the US invasion as a good thing. Sunni uprising brought it down to a majority not viewing the invasion as a good thing. I believe its about half and half now. Few more years of progress and I suspect it will be back up to a majority of Iraqis viewing the invasion as a good thing for Iraq.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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I think this perspective is absurdly ridiculous. Millions of Iraqi people were liberated from a brutal and ruthless tyrant dictator, and you think that 'most of them' would have preferred to remain subjugated? Or that this is some ubiquitous question they are still pondering? No... the overwhelming and vast majority of normal everyday Iraqi people are GRATEFUL for the US coming and liberating them from Saddam. The "exceptions" are the radicals and former members of the ruling class elite (henchmen and cronies of Saddam). What you are saying doesn't even make rational sense, it's as if you think Iraq has always been a free and open democratic society, and some of them are pissed that we threw around our weight in their country to depose one of their duly-elected leaders. This man was known as "The Butcher of Baghdad" ...he used poison gas on his own people, killed thousands of innocent men, women and children.. mass graves pock the countryside, there is still not an accurate estimation on the number of people this man killed. And you think, not only that "some people" were supportive of his ouster, but that "most people" oppose it now? What the fuck are you smoking?
dixon76710
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Yep. Still pondering. 2004, polls showed majority thought the invasion was a good thing. By the time the sunni uprising was in full swing, over 70% thought the invasion was a bad thing. Its now closer to being evenly split. A few more years of progress, I suspect upon further pondering, the majority will come to view the invasion as a good thing.
Of course the people were opposed to their brutal and ruthless tyrant dictator. Theyve paid a very high price in death and destruction to get rid of him. Much of it brought upon themselves but a very high price.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Well are you counting Saddam's former henchmen and cronies in your 70% number? Are you counting the thousands of radical Islamists who flooded into Iraq after we invaded? Yeah, I guess if you count the enemy, most people over there wish we'd stayed home! As for 'mainstream' Iraqi people, they are overwhelmingly grateful for their liberation. If you want to accept the AlJazera propaganda, that's up to you... I don't accept propaganda, since I have a working brain.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
anyone remember when liberals claimed we'd killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians?.......
I do remember that.
Do you know how many Iraqi civilians were killed over the past 10 years?
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
for clarification, do you mean how many were killed or how many we killed....
Who the fuck cares?
God, what an obtuse right-wing arse you are. The left said if we went to war, it would wreak havoc on the region, create innumberable refugees & end up w/ many thousands of civilian casualties.
One of those times I wish we hadn't been right, actually.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
if you don't care I guess there's no reason to respond to you......if you consider us responsible for those killed by Saddam's forces or those killed by terrorists then you will never be convinced that the war accomplished something good for Iraq......
Are you convinced it was a worthwhile endeavor?
Most disagree with you. Most people, myself included, wouldn't argue that absolutely nothing good came out of the conflict. But was it worth 9 years, over a trillion dollars, the massive loss of life & the destruction?
No friggin' way. If you think it was, God help you.
Billy the Great Khan
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It's way, way, way too early say if anything good came from it.
PostmodernProphet
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just think, we could have spent another nine years arguing about whether UN inspections would ever accomplish anything.......
Dixie - In Memoriam
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You should also remember that I said it would be 50 years before this was realized. You still have about 40 more years to go.
dixon76710
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Yep, they are Iraqis as well.
Nope, they are not "Iraqis".
They were all polls conducted by western organizations. Where are you geting your info? A gut feeling?
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Tell that to PiMP.
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The Almighty
How many were killed raped and butchered in the years of our 'no fly zone'?
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
With all due respect, nothing could be further from the truth. We were NOT greeted with flowers and candy, and the opposition we fought WAS the Iraqi people, not outsiders.
How Do Iraqis View the Effects of the Iraq War? - excerpt
This Zogby poll of Iraqi and other opinions about the consequences of the U.S. invasion should be required reading (via Ricks). It is by far the most comprehensive survey of Iraqi opinion about the war that I have seen, and it is first since the withdrawal of U.S. forces. The responses to one question in particular deserve close attention. The question was, “Since the U.S. entered Iraq, how do you feel the following areas of life have been impacted?” Consistent with other surveys, Kurdish opinion tends to be extremely positive, because Iraqi Kurds experienced almost none of the upheaval and violence during the eight and a half years of U.S. occupation. For the most part, Shia and Sunni Arabs perceive almost every aspect of life to have become worse or not changed.
For example, when asked about political freedom, 53% of Shias and 54% of Sunni Arabs say that things are worse now, and less than a third of each group believes that things have improved. As for personal security and safety, there is an overwhelming consensus among both groups (81% of Shias, 88% of Sunni Arabs) that it is worse than before, which is hardly surprising. The responses on economic development/employment are almost as lopsided and negative: 74% of Shias and 80% of Sunni Arabs say that things are worse. In every category except religious freedom, Shia and Sunni Arabs are in agreement that things have become worse since the U.S. invaded. Overall results show that there is only one category (religious freedom) in which there are more respondents reporting improvement over the pre-invasion state of affairs, and even this is just a 39% plurality. Keep these numbers in mind when you next hear some dead-ender complaining about how ungrateful the Iraqis are for all that “we” have done for them.
The poll’s report sums up Iraqis’ negative views:
Majorities of Iraqi respondents say that the impact of the war has been negative with respect to their personal safety and security (72%), economic development and employment (66%), administration of government services (59%), and relations with neighboring countries (54%). One-half feel there has been a negative impact on political freedom (as opposed to one-third who say that political freedom has advanced). Similarly almost one-half of Iraqis feel the impact on education has been negative. The results are more mixed in terms of women’s rights (26% positive, 37% negative, 26% no impact).
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/how-do-iraqis-view-the-effects-of-the-iraq-war/
The Iraq War was a bumbling failure on every level .. with the exception that it made incredible money for energy and defense corporations; ie, "mission accomplished. More importantly, it did absolutely nothing to further the interests of the US in the region. In fact, the war empowered Iran beyond their own capabilities to do so without TRICKING the US to invade Iraq and open the door to greater Iranian intervention .. which they certainly did.
AND, Iraq today is in chaos BECAUSE of the US intervention.
Now we want to attack Iran .. whom we empowered.
An ignorant foreign policy all the way around.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Yes, Saddam's former cronies, informants, and henchmen, are indeed Iraqis, and are not happy that we upset their gravy train.
And who ensured they didn't vote in the polls you cite? If our own soldiers can't tell the difference between an insurgent and an Iraqi, what makes you think some poll-taker is going to be able to? If they are THAT good, maybe our soldiers need to take some lessons from them on how to know who is who, eh?
I'm getting my information from four different families whom I personally know, who are from Iraq and still have family there. To them, it's not even a serious question. You have been led to believe a lie promoted by propagandists who are (and have been) opposed to US action. This is where you need what most of us refer to as "common sense" to evaluate what is the truth. Because IF you had an inkling of common sense, you'd realize that the majority of people in Iraq are not upset that we got rid of the Butcher of Baghdad, they are indeed, very grateful for that.