What would you cut?

Dixie said:
This is where you need what most of us refer to as "common sense" to evaluate what is the truth. Because IF you had an inkling of common sense, you'd realize that the majority of people in Iraq are not upset that we got rid of the Butcher of Baghdad, they are indeed, very grateful for that.
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Its the massive death and destruction that has them upset, not the removal of Saddam.
 
Dixie said:
I'm getting my information from four different families whom I personally know, who are from Iraq and still have family there.
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Well, there is your problem. Your sample size is much too small to have any relevance. Ask a Kurd, they all think the invasion was a great thing. Ask a Sunni, and most say it was a bad thing. Ask a Shiite and it can go either way
 
Since we're talking the wisdom of Ice-T .. I thought it appropraite to get a visual of who it is this thread is dedicated to .. :0)

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:0) Sure, I'd ask that guy and his wife what he thinks of critical issues.
 
dixon76710 said:
Well, there is your problem. Your sample size is much too small to have any relevance. Ask a Kurd, they all think the invasion was a great thing. Ask a Sunni, and most say it was a bad thing. Ask a Shiite and it can go either way
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A Kurd, a former Sunni, and two Shiites. All of them and their families would literally laugh you out of the room at the notion that 'most' Iraqis were sad to see Saddam go, or 'ungrateful' to the US for liberating them. Are some people sad for the deaths and destruction, caused mainly by radical Islamic insurgents? Sure, any citizen would be. But you are taking misinterpreted data and formulating conclusions that simply aren't realistic. It's really easy to manipulate unsuspecting Iraqis with your carefully-crafted and misleading poll questions, I am sure. But I don't need a poll to tell me that these people lived in horrible oppression, the likes of which YOU will probably never know, and they are certainly not 'of mixed feeling' on being liberated. To even imagine that, is beyond mental, in my opinion.
 
dixon76710 said:
Well, there is your problem. Your sample size is much too small to have any relevance. Ask a Kurd, they all think the invasion was a great thing. Ask a Sunni, and most say it was a bad thing. Ask a Shiite and it can go either way
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I have an Iraqi friend who is a Christian who has lived in England for 30 odd years, he says that Iraq is in a terrible state now. His brother recently left Baghdad to go to Syria and he was tortured, robbed and left dying tied to a chair in Damascus.
 
blackascoal said:
Since we're talking the wisdom of Ice-T .. I thought it appropraite to get a visual of who it is this thread is dedicated to .. :0)

ice-t-coco.jpg


:0) Sure, I'd ask that guy and his wife what he thinks of critical issues.
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Nobody but you is talking about Ice T. Is it the color of his wife that causes your obsession?
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I have an Iraqi friend who is a Christian who has lived in England for 30 odd years, he says that Iraq is in a terrible state now. His brother recently left Baghdad to go to Syria and he was tortured, robbed and left dying tied to a chair in Damascus.
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correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this evidence he should have stayed in Iraq where it was safe?......
 
dixon76710 said:
Nobody but you is talking about Ice T. Is it the color of his wife that causes your obsession?
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You look at that picture and all you see is color? :)

In truth, I mistakenly posted this in the wrong thread ..which is what happens when you're trying to post and work at the same time.

It was meant for the Ice-T thread.

My bad.
 
Dixie said:
A Kurd, a former Sunni, and two Shiites. All of them and their families would literally laugh you out of the room at the notion that 'most' Iraqis were sad to see Saddam go, or 'ungrateful' to the US for liberating them. Are some people sad for the deaths and destruction, caused mainly by radical Islamic insurgents? Sure, any citizen would be. But you are taking misinterpreted data and formulating conclusions that simply aren't realistic. It's really easy to manipulate unsuspecting Iraqis with your carefully-crafted and misleading poll questions, I am sure. But I don't need a poll to tell me that these people lived in horrible oppression, the likes of which YOU will probably never know, and they are certainly not 'of mixed feeling' on being liberated. To even imagine that, is beyond mental, in my opinion.
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Notice how your response to my assertions regarding the invasion of Iraq, Dont as much as even mention the invasion of Iraq. Ill wait here while you scamper about looking for refuge in a strawman.
 
Onceler said:
Are you convinced it was a worthwhile endeavor?

Most disagree with you. Most people, myself included, wouldn't argue that absolutely nothing good came out of the conflict. But was it worth 9 years, over a trillion dollars, the massive loss of life & the destruction?

No friggin' way. If you think it was, God help you.
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Taking out Saddam was a worthwhile endeavor. But we should have kicked his ass an then left. We don't do occupations well nor do we have the stomach for it
 
dixon76710 said:
Notice how your response to my assertions regarding the invasion of Iraq, Dont as much as even mention the invasion of Iraq. Ill wait here while you scamper about looking for refuge in a strawman.
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No problem, here is a perfectly good example of how liberals twist semantics to trick unsuspecting Iraqis. Yah, I can see where a majority of Iraqis don't like tanks rolling trough the streets and bombs going off everywhere. But that's what happens when an army comes to liberate you from a tyrant, and most of them are happy that we got rid of the tyrant. Is there any more information you'd like to misconstrue and distort into another irrelevant point?
 
FactsRStubborn said:
Taking out Saddam was a worthwhile endeavor. But we should have kicked his ass an then left. We don't do occupations well nor do we have the stomach for it
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Well that would have resulted in millions of deaths instead of thousands, do you think we would have been hailed as heroes if that had been the case? We stayed so that radical Islamists didn't rush in to fill the power void, which is almost a given, in this situation. Our 'occupation' was no different, and in fact followed the same standards and protocol, as a UN occupation. We temporarily guarded the reigns of power until the people could elect a government. We stayed on to train a security force so the people could defend themselves and protect their newborn democracy. We're not oppressors and didn't 'occupy' in that sense.
 
Dixie said:
Well that would have resulted in millions of deaths instead of thousands, do you think we would have been hailed as heroes if that had been the case? We stayed so that radical Islamists didn't rush in to fill the power void, which is almost a given, in this situation. Our 'occupation' was no different, and in fact followed the same standards and protocol, as a UN occupation. We temporarily guarded the reigns of power until the people could elect a government. We stayed on to train a security force so the people could defend themselves and protect their newborn democracy. We're not oppressors and didn't 'occupy' in that sense.
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Well we would have had to kill them too. We are not good at occupying. Never have been never will be. Go in break it and get out. Screw the UN.
 
Dixie said:
No problem, here is a perfectly good example of how liberals twist semantics to trick unsuspecting Iraqis. Yah, I can see where a majority of Iraqis don't like tanks rolling trough the streets and bombs going off everywhere. But that's what happens when an army comes to liberate you from a tyrant, and most of them are happy that we got rid of the tyrant. Is there any more information you'd like to misconstrue and distort into another irrelevant point?
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????? Since YOU are the one claiming my statement was absurd, what I said in my statement is very relevant. But thats why you work so hard to run from it.
 
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