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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...says-children-belong-communities-parents.html

'Unflippingbelievable': Sarah Palin slams TV news promo in which MSNBC anchor says children 'belong to whole communities,' not to their parents

An MSNBC news anchor has ignited controversy with a TV ad promoting the network, in which she says children belong to communities, not to their parents.
Melissa Harris-Perry, host of a Sunday morning MSNBC show that bears her name, cut the promo spot to promote her program. And conservative pundits Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck are seeing red.
'We have never invested as much in public education as we should have,' Harris-Perry says in the ad, 'because we've always had kind of a private notion of children: "Your kid is yours, and totally your responsibility." We haven't had a very collective notion of "these are our children."'
'So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents, or kids belong to their families, and recognize that kids belong to whole communities.'

'Once it's everybody's responsibility, and not just the household's, then we start making better investments,' Harris-Perry adds, in a subtle call for more government spending on education programs.
Sarah Palin, the former Alaska governor and 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee, vented her outrage on Twitter.

'Apparently MSNBC doesn't think your children belong to you,' she tweeted. 'Unflippingbelievable.'
The theme of collective child-rearing first most famously caused trouble for American liberals when Hillary Clinton, then the first lady, made a similar argument in her book titled It Takes A Village.
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So... Caring and thoughtful liberals like Harris-Perry are perfectly reasonable and rational when they infer our children don't belong to us, and Palin is the insane wacko, who is out of touch with mainstream. Understand?
 
Palin and the MSNBC lady are wrong.... Nobody owns Children, they are people and thus are unownable.

Now children are entrusted to the care of parents and less so to the care of a community.


As a father of three young children, I can affirm that in our culture it does "take a village" to raise a happy and health child in our culture.
 
I knew the "it takes a village" comment would come up soon. And I do agree with the sentiment of that comment by the way.
 
I get up early and wake the kids, depending on our schedule, my wife or I make breakfast. The nanny arrives around 8 and assists us whilst we get the kids dressed and the older two ready for school. I take them to school and go to work. My wife works the remainder of the morning at her home based business while the nanny feeds the two year old and plays with her. Then the 2 year old takes a nap, the nanny cleans up and does laundry. My wife generally then wakes the two year old and takes her to pick up the 5 year old from pre-school. (Pre-School where other members of the village have been teaching her and where she has been socializing with other neighborhood kids.) Then my wife usually does an activity with the younger two kids until I pick up the 7 year old from 1st Grade. (First Grade where other members of the village have been teaching my son and where he has been exposed to a broader horizion than could be provided simply by the paradim of just our family) At that time, usually my sister brings her 9 year old to our house and the boys do homework together.

The Nanny has finally organized the house and set things up for the evening and the comming day. My wife will make dinner, or we will go out, where another member of the village will feed us at a restaurant. Sometimes my daughter will play for a while at the neighbors house or the neighbor girl will come to our house. After dinner we relax and play with the children until bed time.

If someone gets ill or has a cold or if I have a trial, we have a whole support system that will fill in and assist. Today my wife and I both have business lunches and so my wife's mother is going to pick our daughter up.

Tonight is my wife and my's 8th anniversuary so the neighbor will be taking the kids while we go our for dinner and a little celebration....


THANK GOD FOR MY VILLAGE, I am happier and my kids are happier, healthier and safer.
 
Jarod said:
I get up early and wake the kids, depending on our schedule, my wife or I make breakfast. The nanny arrives around 8 and assists us whilst we get the kids dressed and the older two ready for school. I take them to school and go to work. My wife works the remainder of the morning at her home based business while the nanny feeds the two year old and plays with her. Then the 2 year old takes a nap, the nanny cleans up and does laundry. My wife generally then wakes the two year old and takes her to pick up the 5 year old from pre-school. (Pre-School where other members of the village have been teaching her and where she has been socializing with other neighborhood kids.) Then my wife usually does an activity with the younger two kids until I pick up the 7 year old from 1st Grade. (First Grade where other members of the village have been teaching my son and where he has been exposed to a broader horizion than could be provided simply by the paradim of just our family) At that time, usually my sister brings her 9 year old to our house and the boys do homework together.

The Nanny has finally organized the house and set things up for the evening and the comming day. My wife will make dinner, or we will go out, where another member of the village will feed us at a restaurant. Sometimes my daughter will play for a while at the neighbors house or the neighbor girl will come to our house. After dinner we relax and play with the children until bed time.

If someone gets ill or has a cold or if I have a trial, we have a whole support system that will fill in and assist. Today my wife and I both have business lunches and so my wife's mother is going to pick our daughter up.

Tonight is my wife and my's 8th anniversuary so the neighbor will be taking the kids while we go our for dinner and a little celebration....


THANK GOD FOR MY VILLAGE, I am happier and my kids are happier, healthier and safer.
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What you describe here is exactly what Hillary was referring to with her "it takes a village" remark, in my opinion. And in that I most definitely agree. There was a time when immediate families were more intact and extended families (grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins) lived closer together and even unrelated neighbors were known as to who could be trusted and who could not be. Everyone looked out for everyone else and their kids, for the most part. I know my uncles would be just as apt to bust my tail as my dad if I were to act out and dad wasn't there. That is the way life was, again, for the most part. It's not that way so much anymore and this is where Hillary was going with her comment, I think. Since it is not that way as much anymore, we must all do our part to help when we are allowed to. But even that is getting harder as families are more scattered/broken and we really don't know our neighbors as well as we used to. But in the above context I agree with the sentiment that "it takes a village." Lord knows I rely on my family and neighbors from time to time to help out with my kid. But as the parent, I am still in control and have the final say.

By the way, it is good to see your children are well cared for too, keep up the good work. It's tough being a parent ... at anytime.
 
Jarod said:
I get up early and wake the kids, depending on our schedule, my wife or I make breakfast. The nanny arrives around 8 and assists us whilst we get the kids dressed and the older two ready for school. I take them to school and go to work. My wife works the remainder of the morning at her home based business while the nanny feeds the two year old and plays with her. Then the 2 year old takes a nap, the nanny cleans up and does laundry. My wife generally then wakes the two year old and takes her to pick up the 5 year old from pre-school. (Pre-School where other members of the village have been teaching her and where she has been socializing with other neighborhood kids.) Then my wife usually does an activity with the younger two kids until I pick up the 7 year old from 1st Grade. (First Grade where other members of the village have been teaching my son and where he has been exposed to a broader horizion than could be provided simply by the paradim of just our family) At that time, usually my sister brings her 9 year old to our house and the boys do homework together.

The Nanny has finally organized the house and set things up for the evening and the comming day. My wife will make dinner, or we will go out, where another member of the village will feed us at a restaurant. Sometimes my daughter will play for a while at the neighbors house or the neighbor girl will come to our house. After dinner we relax and play with the children until bed time.

If someone gets ill or has a cold or if I have a trial, we have a whole support system that will fill in and assist. Today my wife and I both have business lunches and so my wife's mother is going to pick our daughter up.

Tonight is my wife and my's 8th anniversuary so the neighbor will be taking the kids while we go our for dinner and a little celebration....


THANK GOD FOR MY VILLAGE, I am happier and my kids are happier, healthier and safer.
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Thats not a village, thats a community looking out for and helping one another. They are still your kids, your responsibility and your blessing. you've just set them up with paid babysitters. The payment is money for the nanny or a favor/relationship in the case of the neighbors.

SmarterthanYou said:
'it takes a village' is a copout for parents who don't want to live up to their responsibility as parents.
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I fear its worse. Accepting responsibility for the environment you create in your community is one thing, but you have no right to dictate and assume undue influence over another's children. Children are not property, and certainly not public property.


“We have never invested as much in public education as we should have because we’ve always had a private notion of children, your kid is yours and totally your responsibility. We haven’t had a very collective notion of these are our children.
So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities.
Once it’s everybody’s responsibility and not just the household’s we start making better investments.”
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The bold is the offense I take at this. Perhaps if she had more than a 30 second soundbyte she'd explain she wasnt a communist scumbag, but she doesn't warrant more, apparently. They don't belong to communities. They are a part of the community and if they grow to maturity there they are a part of the legacy, but they are the parent's responsibility to care for, and part of caring for them is passing along your morals and beliefs. Of course actions speak louder than words. . . . Only in extreme cases where one is clearly unfit or unable to provide should interventions be considered.


Like I've said, I think she martyred herself to bring the idea to a more nation level. Its a publicity stunt, and I bet she's in her little circle giggling about it and getting congratulations.
 
leaningright said:
What you describe here is exactly what Hillary was referring to with her "it takes a village" remark, in my opinion. And in that I most definitely agree. There was a time when immediate families were more intact and extended families (grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins) lived closer together and even unrelated neighbors were known as to who could be trusted and who could not be. Everyone looked out for everyone else and their kids, for the most part. I know my uncles would be just as apt to bust my tail as my dad if I were to act out and dad wasn't there. That is the way life was, again, for the most part. It's not that way so much anymore and this is where Hillary was going with her comment, I think. Since it is not that way as much anymore, we must all do our part to help when we are allowed to. But even that is getting harder as families are more scattered/broken and we really don't know our neighbors as well as we used to. But in the above context I agree with the sentiment that "it takes a village." Lord knows I rely on my family and neighbors from time to time to help out with my kid. But as the parent, I am still in control and have the final say.

By the way, it is good to see your children are well cared for too, keep up the good work. It's tough being a parent ... at anytime.
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Thanks, you also.

I agree with you and to me, as a parent, it is part of our responsability to make every effort to get to know the neighbors, keep up with our family (if beneficial to do so), and develop a trusted support system and structure within the community. Get to know the teachers, the community and marshall all the resources that we can to promote the "village".
 
pisskop said:
Thats not a village, thats a community looking out for and helping one another. They are still your kids, your responsibility and your blessing. you've just set them up with paid babysitters. The payment is money for the nanny or a favor/relationship in the case of the neighbors.


I fear its worse. Accepting responsibility for the environment you create in your community is one thing, but you have no right to dictate and assume undue influence over another's children. Children are not property, and certainly not public property.




The bold is the offense I take at this. Perhaps if she had more than a 30 second soundbyte she'd explain she wasnt a communist scumbag, but she doesn't warrant more, apparently. They don't belong to communities. They are a part of the community and if they grow to maturity there they are a part of the legacy, but they are the parent's responsibility to care for. Only in extreme cases where one is clearly unfit or unable to provide should interventions be considered.


Like I've said, I think she martyred herself to bring the idea to a more nation level. Its a publicity stunt, and I bet she's in her little circle giggling about it and getting congratulations.
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A Village is a community that looks out for and helps one another. Your first sentence defines what a village is... Did you read Hillary's book?

Just because you pay someone, or exchange favors does not make it less of a village... thats part of looking out for eachother... paid or not.
 
Actually, I belive it not only takes a "Village" to raise children. It also takes a "village" to be a profitable member of our society, and to accomplish much in this world as an adult.
 
Jarod said:
Do you have children? If so, who cared for them? It it was not you 24/7 you are a cop-out of a parent.
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no, I do not have children. I've had step children. If their mother or father wasn't caring for them, I was. and hiring a babysitter is NOT copping out. that is a huge, HUGE, extremely HUGE bullshit argument.
 
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