What advice would you give this young woman?

[cawacko]

Wow this troll is getting schooled by multiple folks. He must be a Big East football conference member. Hope this isn't your day job troll.

 

[WinterBorn]

It means they decided that she had the problem before she switched to that insurance. Cocaine abuse is not a very common cause of heart problems, and your insurance would usually cover you even if it were a result of cocaine abuse (which would be practically impossible to prove anyway).

Why is reading comprehension such an issue these days?

I did not say she abused cocaine, or that she has a genetic disorder. I stated that, without knowing more about the pre-existing condition, I couldn't address the issue. Then I used those two as examples of pre-existing conditions.

 

[NOVA]

So your advice would be to utilize a government program?

Does that mean that you oppose the health care reform act but advocate single-payer programs?

Can you tell us how much Miss Colorado "spent trying to win a pageant"?

Apparently, your comment regarding the money this young woman "spent trying to win a pageant" was not based on any specific knowledge.

Should anyone who suffers the loss of their health insurance due to a determination of a pre-existing condition" be covered at government expense?

Unless the "NUMEROUS pageant contestants" of your acquaintance include the current Miss Colorado, how does your anecdotal evidence apply?

You don't need absolute proof to conclude that entering and preparing and traveling to beauty pageants cost a lot of money....
Following the article is a discussion...

Blair attended the Art Institute of Colorado where it is over $45,000 a year to attend ?
Really? while her Mothers rent/mortage/medicine bills were so high ??? Living large at a 45 thousand dollar year school ain't she.

for the past 4 years has competed both in the Miss Colorado America and Miss Colorado USA pageant each year. Each pageant has an entry fee of nearly a thousand dollars.

the eviction???
“It was really unexpected for me. I wasn’t aware that we were being evicted from our home until we got the knock on the door from the sheriff saying, ‘We’re coming in and moving you out,’ ” Griffith said.

Common sense tells me this is complete bullshit from the word It...

So dry your eyes Joe...you're pathetic.

 

[Topspin]

yes the chick is a ditz, and apparently the apple didn't fall to far from the trailor park tree.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Wow this troll is getting schooled by multiple folks. He must be a Big East football conference member. Hope this isn't your day job troll.

Let me guess... you chose the Big East because it is the only one that sucks worse than the Pac 10?

Big East basketball.... is where it is at.

 

[Topspin]

Ouch, getting punked by a little ten school's gotta hurt.

 

[WinterBorn]

Wow this troll is getting schooled by multiple folks. He must be a Big East football conference member. Hope this isn't your day job troll.

Nah, I think he is a troll that has returned for more schooling.

Who was that troll that was very active about the time Senator Gifford was shot? He didn't debate, but almost exclusively asked questions. He rarely answered any from anyone else.

I think he is back.

 

[Canceled.LTroll.21]

I provided you with a link showing that winning pageants costs tens of thousands of dollars (if not more), and you have shown absolutely nothing to show it is free, my point still stands. She was spending money for 4 years, when the family was obviously in dire financial trouble..

Which does not prove that she personally spent anything like the sums you cited, does it? Generalizations don't constitute evidence in specific cases.

Then blame the mother. Is it the property owner's fault that they expect to be paid for living in the house? They probably pay a mortgage on the house, and may be falling behind because the renters haven't paid rent. The owner pays taxes on the house, and obviously has no income from the house and is also not able to live there....

Nobody I'm aware of has assigned "blame" to anyone. The landlord hasn't been cast as a villain, either, in any account I've seen. You're the only person I'm aware of who's mentioned either.

All the while, this young lady was buying evening gowns, expensive shoes, and probably paying coaches to help her win the contest...

How do you know she "was buying evening gowns, expensive shoes, and probably paying coaches to help her win the contest?"

Is it possible that this courageous young woman paid her expenses through donations, scholarships, and her own wages?

"Now it looks like Griffith, who graduated with honors from the Art Institute of Colorado, will lose her job at Saks Fifth Avenue when the upscale retailer closes its Cherry Creek Shopping Center store in Denver next month.

Incredibly, the scrappy young pageant winner is undaunted by the challenges life seems to keep throwing her way. “I feel like these are all just moments that are teaching me how to be a stronger person,” she told Denver’s Channel 9 News.

Griffith is now living with a family friend while she prepares to compete for the Miss USA 2011 crown on June 19th. She makes appearances on behalf of the Miss Colorado USA organization, which she credits for taking care of her wardrobe and travel expenses. She also publishes a blog teaching girls how to compete in pageants on a shoestring budget."

http://morallowground.com/tag/blair-griffith-miss-usa-2011/

Unless you are suggesting only rich people should compete in beauty pageants, it's entirely possible that sponsorships, donations, and her own wages enabled her to compete and win. At any rate, you stated that she "was buying evening gowns, expensive shoes, and probably paying coaches" without being able to present a scrap of evidence that your assertions are true.

http://www.videojug.com/interview/the-cost-of-competing-in-a-pagent-2#what-are-pageant-sponsors

First of all, I did not presume that the heart attack was caused by a genetic problem or cocaine abuse. You asked a question and I answered that, since I didn't know what the pre-existing condition was, I couldn't answer. I then used two examples of pre-existing conditions....

It strikes me as odd that you selected those two "examples" rather than the most common causes. Care to explain your choice in light of the fact that the majority of heart attacks are not triggered by either? http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20040830/cause-of-most-heart-attacks-found

The Health Care Reform act was not passed for the minority of the population that does not have healthcare. It was passed for the entire nation. It is not about those who have no insurance, but about the healthcare of every citizen in this country.

True, yet if it's provisions had been in effect, Miss Colorado USA's mom might still have health insurance, and perhaps she and her lovely daughter wouldn't have lost her home.

 

[WinterBorn]

Which does not prove that she personally spent anything like the sums you cited, does it? Generalizations don't constitute evidence in specific cases.

Its funny, you are perfectly will to make assumptions, but don't want anyone else to do the same. Nice set of double standards you have there.

How do you know she "was buying evening gowns, expensive shoes, and probably paying coaches to help her win the contest?"

Is it possible that this courageous young woman paid her expenses through donations, scholarships, and her own wages?

I am sure that is possible. And while she was out drumming up donations and spending her wages on pageant costs, her Mom was home waiting to be evicted. Actually you just agreed with the point I made.

"Now it looks like Griffith, who graduated with honors from the Art Institute of Colorado, will lose her job at Saks Fifth Avenue when the upscale retailer closes its Cherry Creek Shopping Center store in Denver next month.

And she has saved no money, after buying gowns, shoes, and other pageant related expenses.

It strikes me as odd that you selected those two "examples" rather than the most common causes. Care to explain your choice in light of the fact that the majority of heart attacks are not triggered by either? http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20040830/cause-of-most-heart-attacks-found

They seemed like perfectly acceptable pre-existing conditions. But I did not suggest her mother had any of those. You wanted me to make a judgement based solely on the fact that we know she has a pre-existing condition and nothing more.

True, yet if it's provisions had been in effect, Miss Colorado USA's mom might still have health insurance, and perhaps she and her lovely daughter wouldn't have lost her home.

And if no money had been spent on pageants, the rent might have been paid and medication might have been purchased.

You are making assumptions without any real basis. Wasn't that what you used to dismiss my statements.

 

[Canceled.LTroll.21]

Its funny, you are perfectly will to make assumptions, but don't want anyone else to do the same. Nice set of double standards you have there..

You may be right, but you said you were and can't prove it.

I am willing to consider possibilities that don't fit my preconceived notions.

You see the situation and conclude it's the victim's fault for spending lots of money on pageants because other people spent lots of money on pageants.

I see the complete absence of any facts indicating heavy personal expenditures and after reviewing the avaiable information, I understand there are ways for people to limited personal melans to be competitive if they are smart and determined.

See the difference?

I am sure that is possible. And while she was out drumming up donations and spending her wages on pageant costs, her Mom was home waiting to be evicted. Actually you just agreed with the point I made..

The eviction occured in November 2010. The pageant occurred in October 2010. Since you know her mother did not tell Ms. Griffith about her finacial straits, should her apparent lack of psychic powers be construed as mpre "proof" of the "point" you made.

What point was that, exactly?

And she has saved no money, after buying gowns, shoes, and other pageant related expenses..

What "gowns, shoes, and other pageant related expenses"?

Got a list?

Have you seen the receipts?

You've seen her bank statements?

How much should this 22-year old have saved from her wages at Saks to meet your standard of acceptance?

"Magna Cum Laude graduate from The Art Institute of Colorado where she received her Bachelors Degree in Fashion Retail Management. Her focus allowed Blair to excel scholastically as she maintained a 3.8 GPA and was accepted into the Alpha Beta Kappa National Honor Society".

http://www.missiowausa.com/co_miss.cfm

Not good enough, though.

Not according to you.

She should have ditched her dreams, saved every penny, and then you wouldn't have to be confronted with the human cost of your opposition to health care reform?

They seemed like perfectly acceptable pre-existing conditions. But I did not suggest her mother had any of those. You wanted me to make a judgement based solely on the fact that we know she has a pre-existing condition and nothing more..

You implied them by listing them and excluding the other, far more common causes of heart attacks.

And if no money had been spent on pageants, the rent might have been paid and medication might have been purchased..

Really?

How much was spent on pageants?

How much was the rent?

How much was the medication?

You are making assumptions without any real basis. Wasn't that what you used to dismiss my statements.

I used the lack of facts supporting your claims to dismiss your statements.

If you can produce any, I will admit that you are right.

 

[apple0154]

Assuming that you oppose the Health Care Reform Act, please read the following story and think about the issue.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/41778312/ns/today-today_fashion_and_beauty/

Something doesn't add up.

She mentions she didn't have any idea they were going to lose their home. If the mother had not mentioned that to her there's something wrong with the mother.

In any case she must have known things were not going well. If one has difficulty meeting home payments usually other things such as food and clothing are scaled back in an effort to save. Did she not notice a cut-back? Did the mother not cut back?

While it's fine to pursue a dream one usually puts their dream on hold while dealing with reality. I don't believe she had no idea what was happening. It doesn't make sense.

 

[Canceled.LTroll.21]

Something doesn't add up.

She mentions she didn't have any idea they were going to lose their home. If the mother had not mentioned that to her there's something wrong with the mother.

In any case she must have known things were not going well. If one has difficulty meeting home payments usually other things such as food and clothing are scaled back in an effort to save. Did she not notice a cut-back? Did the mother not cut back?

While it's fine to pursue a dream one usually puts their dream on hold while dealing with reality. I don't believe she had no idea what was happening. It doesn't make sense.

There's an easy way to settle your doubts.

http://www.missiowausa.com/co_miss_email.cfm

Ask her.

 

[cawacko]

Nah, I think he is a troll that has returned for more schooling.

Who was that troll that was very active about the time Senator Gifford was shot? He didn't debate, but almost exclusively asked questions. He rarely answered any from anyone else.

I think he is back.

There's no question it is the same troll. He keeps coming back with different names and keeps up the same act of only asking questions and not responding in return. And once again he is getting schooled pretty much the same as Nebraska will in the Big 10 next season.

 

[WinterBorn]

You may be right, but you said you were and can't prove it.

I am willing to consider possibilities that don't fit my preconceived notions.

You see the situation and conclude it's the victim's fault for spending lots of money on pageants because other people spent lots of money on pageants.

I see the complete absence of any facts indicating heavy personal expenditures and after reviewing the avaiable information, I understand there are ways for people to limited personal melans to be competitive if they are smart and determined.

See the difference?



What "gowns, shoes, and other pageant related expenses"?

Got a list?

Have you seen the receipts?

You've seen her bank statements?

How much should this 22-year old have saved from her wages at Saks to meet your standard of acceptance?


She should have ditched her dreams, saved every penny, and then you wouldn't have to be confronted with the human cost of your opposition to health care reform?




You implied them by listing them and excluding the other, far more common causes of heart attacks.



Really?

How much was spent on pageants?

How much was the rent?

How much was the medication?



I used the lack of facts supporting your claims to dismiss your statements.

If you can produce any, I will admit that you are right.

Yep, I see the difference. Except at the end of this post you sorta undo this claim.

I assume that she spent money on pageants. I gave you a link talking about how much pageants cost and how much people typically spend. You choose to ignore that because I cannot produce receipts for a specific contestant in a specific pageant.

But then you berate me because I didn't discuss the most common causes of heart attacks.

Can you see the hypocrisy?

"Magna Cum Laude graduate from The Art Institute of Colorado where she received her Bachelors Degree in Fashion Retail Management. Her focus allowed Blair to excel scholastically as she maintained a 3.8 GPA and was accepted into the Alpha Beta Kappa National Honor Society".

http://www.missiowausa.com/co_miss.cfm

Not good enough, though.

Not according to you.

Oh really? When did I say that? Apparently the whole "I am willing to consider possibilities that don't fit my preconceived notions" doesn't apply here, huh? You are perfectly willing to make assumptions and judgements without any evidence at all, as long as you are trying to invent what I said.

 

[apple0154]

There's an easy way to settle your doubts.

http://www.missiowausa.com/co_miss_email.cfm

Ask her.

Thanks for the info. I emailed her. I'll let you know if/when I receive a reply.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Why did legion troll make a troll named after Sestak and have him spout random news stories?

better yet....why did legion troll have damo delete one of his accounts because he claimed he was never coming back....only to have him come back under numerous new trolls?

Wow this troll is getting schooled by multiple folks. He must be a Big East football conference member. Hope this isn't your day job troll.

of course its his day job. no one with a job has time to create that many trolls on so many different boards....and he is still copying my posts here and posting them as "Yurt" at a different board, though he alters them slightly to give his slant....thats some serious obsession and clearly shows he has no life or job

 

[USFREEDOM911]

There's no question it is the same troll. He keeps coming back with different names and keeps up the same act of only asking questions and not responding in return. And once again he is getting schooled pretty much the same as Nebraska will in the Big 10 next season.

He's probably coming here, to get information for his various term papers and such.

I bet you cried, when Tom Osborne was in charge.

 

[WinterBorn]

There's no question it is the same troll. He keeps coming back with different names and keeps up the same act of only asking questions and not responding in return. And once again he is getting schooled pretty much the same as Nebraska will in the Big 10 next season.

YOu think Nebraska will get schooled?

So who do you think will be playing Alabama for the BCS Championship?

 

[NOVA]

I've seen enough.....hes on the ignore list....he'll even be no. 1

Even if hes not a troll, hes a pinhead

 

[Canceled.LTroll.21]

I assume that she spent money on pageants.

Your assumptions may be correct, or they may not.

The difference is that you attribute her homelessness to a lack of acumen or some other quality. I attribute it to tragedy compounded by happenstance.

Then I would suggest that the money she had spent trying to win a pageant could have been better spent paying bills.

You stated she spent money "trying to win a pageant".

Possibly, she did.

Equally possibly, she didn't.

Perhaps she was helped by generous people who admire her spirit.

Did you ever wonder how a young woman in her circumstances (school, retail job, mom unable to work) could spend much money in the first place?

How do you know she didn't help with the bills?

I do not know how much she spent trying to win the Miss Colorado pageant. I feel fairly certain it was not even close to being free. Most pageant winners have had numerous classes for their talent competitions, used consultants for various phases of the competition, and spent a good bit of money on their wardrobe.

You say you "do not know how much she spent". Yet you repeatedly say she "spent" and "feel fairly certain it was not even close to being free". Who said it was free?

While I may not have any specific knowledge about the cost of winning a pageant, I am comfortable with my statement that trying for 4 years was not free..

Again, you mention "free". This is beginning to look like a strawman argument.

When you cannot pay rent, spending money on a pageant doesn't make much sense. ..

It does if you're not the person responsible for paying the rent.

I cannot make a blanket statement about a pre-existing condition without knowing more. Was it a genetic problem or cocaine abuse? Depending on what the cause of the pre-existing condition, and depending on whether it is life threatening or disabling, the gov't should step in and be able to help.

You "cannot make a blanket statement about a pre-existing condition"? Yet you named two uncommon specific causes, neither of which was suggested anywhere. One of them has very negative connotations.

Why is reading comprehension such an issue these days?

I did not say she abused cocaine, or that she has a genetic disorder. I stated that, without knowing more about the pre-existing condition, I couldn't address the issue. Then I used those two as examples of pre-existing conditions.

Why those two?

I provided you with a link showing that winning pageants costs tens of thousands of dollars (if not more), and you have shown absolutely nothing to show it is free, my point still stands..

I didn't say it was "free". Are you suggesting that not proving a claim I didn't make is some kind of victory for you?

She was spending money for 4 years, when the family was obviously in dire financial trouble...

She was?

Who was it obvious to?

She's 23 now. If her mother hid the extent of their financial plight from her young daughter, how would she have known?

All the while, this young lady was buying evening gowns, expensive shoes, and probably paying coaches to help her win the contest....

She probably obtained evening gowns, shoes, and perhaps even coaches. How could she pay for them? You failed to mention that. Is it possible they were lent by a supportive employer (Saks) proud of her accomplishments?

First of all, I did not presume that the heart attack was caused by a genetic problem or cocaine abuse.

True, you insinuated it.