What advice would you give this young woman?

[Canceled.LTroll.21]

Assuming that you oppose the Health Care Reform Act, please read the following story and think about the issue.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/41778312/ns/today-today_fashion_and_beauty/

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Why did legion troll make a troll named after Sestak and have him spout random news stories?

 

[DamnYankee]

Think about what? That she should get a job?

 

[WinterBorn]

Assuming that you oppose the Health Care Reform Act, please read the following story and think about the issue.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/41778312/ns/today-today_fashion_and_beauty/

First I would have pointed her mother to the nearest social security office, to try and get her on SSI/Medicare/Medicaid.

Then I would have had her ask her Mom why she never mentioned the slide towards eviction. The sheriff's dept doesn't just pop up. In most states the tenant has to be 3 months behind on rent before they will allow you to start processing an eviction.

Then I would suggest that the money she had spent trying to win a pageant could have been better spent paying bills.

 

[Canceled.LTroll.21]

First I would have pointed her mother to the nearest social security office, to try and get her on SSI/Medicare/Medicaid.

Then I would have had her ask her Mom why she never mentioned the slide towards eviction. The sheriff's dept doesn't just pop up. In most states the tenant has to be 3 months behind on rent before they will allow you to start processing an eviction.

Then I would suggest that the money she had spent trying to win a pageant could have been better spent paying bills.

So your advice would be to utilize a government program?

Does that mean that you oppose the health care reform act but advocate single-payer programs?

Can you tell us how much Miss Colorado "spent trying to win a pageant"?

 

[cawacko]

So your advice would be to utilize a government program?

Does that mean that you oppose the health care reform act but advocate single-payer programs?

Can you tell us how much Miss Colorado "spent trying to win a pageant"?

New to the board, eh, Joe?

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Think about what? That she should get a job?

Actually she does have a job, but the store where she works is closing.

 

[WinterBorn]

So your advice would be to utilize a government program?

Does that mean that you oppose the health care reform act but advocate single-payer programs?

Can you tell us how much Miss Colorado "spent trying to win a pageant"?

I have never said there should be no gov't programs. But I disagree with the wholesale takeover of the healthcare industry. I don't think the gov't will do it any good.

Yes, I would advise her to use a gov't program.

I do not know how much she spent trying to win the Miss Colorado pageant. I feel fairly certain it was not even close to being free. Most pageant winners have had numerous classes for their talent competitions, used consultants for various phases of the competition, and spent a good bit of money on their wardrobe.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

First I would have pointed her mother to the nearest social security office, to try and get her on SSI/Medicare/Medicaid.

Then I would have had her ask her Mom why she never mentioned the slide towards eviction. The sheriff's dept doesn't just pop up. In most states the tenant has to be 3 months behind on rent before they will allow you to start processing an eviction.

Then I would suggest that the money she had spent trying to win a pageant could have been better spent paying bills.

Well, being poor alone isn't enough to get into medicaid, you have to be part of one of several classes. That's one of the things that the healthcare bill changes, but it doesn't take effect until 2013. And it didn't say she was old enough to get SS or Medicaid.

I'm pretty sure that medical expenses could easily overwhelm everything else, but it is weird how she was even able to come up with the money at all.

 

[WinterBorn]

Well, being poor alone isn't enough to get into medicaid, you have to be part of one of several classes. That's one of the things that the healthcare bill changes, but it doesn't take effect until 2013. And it didn't say she was old enough to get SS or Medicaid.

I'm pretty sure that medical expenses could easily overwhelm everything else, but it is weird how she was even able to come up with the money at all.

If the mother had a heart attack that made it so she cannot work, she is eligible for SSI disability. With a family, madicare would probably be the best option. But if the daughter doesn't qualify, the mother certainly would since she would be drawing a disability check.

 

[Canceled.LTroll.21]

I have never said there should be no gov't programs. But I disagree with the wholesale takeover of the healthcare industry. I don't think the gov't will do it any good.

Yes, I would advise her to use a gov't program.

I do not know how much she spent trying to win the Miss Colorado pageant. I feel fairly certain it was not even close to being free. Most pageant winners have had numerous classes for their talent competitions, used consultants for various phases of the competition, and spent a good bit of money on their wardrobe.

Apparently, your comment regarding the money this young woman "spent trying to win a pageant" was not based on any specific knowledge.

Should anyone who suffers the loss of their health insurance due to a determination of a pre-existing condition" be covered at government expense?

 

[WinterBorn]

Apparently, your comment regarding the money this young woman "spent trying to win a pageant" was not based on any specific knowledge.

Should anyone who suffers the loss of their health insurance due to a determination of a pre-existing condition" be covered at government expense?

While I may not have any specific knowledge about the cost of winning a pageant, I am comfortable with my statement that trying for 4 years was not free.

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/advice/20020808a.asp

When you cannot pay rent, spending money on a pageant doesn't make much sense.



I cannot make a blanket statement about a pre-existing condition without knowing more. Was it a genetic problem or cocaine abuse? Depending on what the cause of the pre-existing condition, and depending on whether it is life threatening or disabling, the gov't should step in and be able to help.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Then I would suggest that the money she had spent trying to win a pageant could have been better spent paying bills.

That's the first thought that crossed my mind as I read this story. I have known NUMEROUS pageant contestants, both vying for state and national titles, and there is an ENORMOUS amount of money that goes into it. This is just not an activity suited for people on the brink of losing their home. It's like cooking school in Paris... not something you're going to pursue if you are poor. I really do wish we lived in Liberal Utopia Land... where these things could be made possible with an influx of tax dollars, but it's just not realistic or rational, it is somewhat an irrational fantasy.

 

[Canceled.LTroll.21]

While I may not have any specific knowledge about the cost of winning a pageant, I am comfortable with my statement that trying for 4 years was not free.

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/advice/20020808a.asp

When you cannot pay rent, spending money on a pageant doesn't make much sense.

I cannot make a blanket statement about a pre-existing condition without knowing more. Was it a genetic problem or cocaine abuse? Depending on what the cause of the pre-existing condition, and depending on whether it is life threatening or disabling, the gov't should step in and be able to help.

Your confidence in the unwarranted assumption you made does not make it true, does it?

The young woman's mother apprently shielded her daughter from knowledge of the extent of her financial plight.

Why would you assume that a heart attack must have been precipitated by genetic predisposition or cocaine abuse?

As long as the government program in question is not the Health Care Reform Act, you're in favor of it?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Apparently, your comment regarding the money this young woman "spent trying to win a pageant" was not based on any specific knowledge.

Should anyone who suffers the loss of their health insurance due to a determination of a pre-existing condition" be covered at government expense?

I speak from first hand experience. I photographed 3 Miss Georgias, and 1 Miss Alabama. I know what I charged for my shoots, and it wasn't cheap. I also know the families of all these girls, and believe me, none of them are in danger of losing their home. One of the Miss Georgias I worked with, is a close personal friend of the family, and I know when she was competing for Miss America, they spent over $10,000. Seems to me, 10-grand would pay a LOT of house payments!

People who lose their health insurance due to pre-existing conditions, are already covered by a government program... it's called MEDICAID! And whether they qualify for Medicaid or not, the hospital is obligated BY LAW to treat them... it's called INDIGENT CARE! So, we already have a safety net to cover these people. Try again!

 

[Canceled.LTroll.21]

That's the first thought that crossed my mind as I read this story. I have known NUMEROUS pageant contestants, both vying for state and national titles, and there is an ENORMOUS amount of money that goes into it. This is just not an activity suited for people on the brink of losing their home. It's like cooking school in Paris... not something you're going to pursue if you are poor. I really do wish we lived in Liberal Utopia Land... where these things could be made possible with an influx of tax dollars, but it's just not realistic or rational, it is somewhat an irrational fantasy.

Unless the "NUMEROUS pageant contestants" of your acquaintance include the current Miss Colorado, how does your anecdotal evidence apply?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Unless the "NUMEROUS pageant contestants" of your acquaintance include the current Miss Colorado, how does your anecdotal evidence apply?

Unless the current Miss Colorado shits gold bars out her ass, my evidence applies. Pageant dresses cost MONEY! Where did it come from? Did she take a squat?

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

While I may not have any specific knowledge about the cost of winning a pageant, I am comfortable with my statement that trying for 4 years was not free.

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/advice/20020808a.asp

When you cannot pay rent, spending money on a pageant doesn't make much sense.



I cannot make a blanket statement about a pre-existing condition without knowing more. Was it a genetic problem or cocaine abuse? Depending on what the cause of the pre-existing condition, and depending on whether it is life threatening or disabling, the gov't should step in and be able to help.

It means they decided that she had the problem before she switched to that insurance. Cocaine abuse is not a very common cause of heart problems, and your insurance would usually cover you even if it were a result of cocaine abuse (which would be practically impossible to prove anyway).

 

[WinterBorn]

Your confidence in the unwarranted assumption you made does not make it true, does it?

I provided you with a link showing that winning pageants costs tens of thousands of dollars (if not more), and you have shown absolutely nothing to show it is free, my point still stands. She was spending money for 4 years, when the family was obviously in dire financial trouble.

The young woman's mother apprently shielded her daughter from knowledge of the extent of her financial plight.

Then blame the mother. Is it the property owner's fault that they expect to be paid for living in the house? They probably pay a mortgage on the house, and may be falling behind because the renters haven't paid rent. The owner pays taxes on the house, and obviously has no income from the house and is also not able to live there.

All the while, this young lady was buying evening gowns, expensive shoes, and probably paying coaches to help her win the contest.

Why would you assume that a heart attack must have been precipitated by genetic predisposition or cocaine abuse?

As long as the government program in question is not the Health Care Reform Act, you're in favor of it?

First of all, I did not presume that the heart attack was caused by a genetic problem or cocaine abuse. You asked a question and I answered that, since I didn't know what the pre-existing condition was, I couldn't answer. I then used two examples of pre-existing conditions.

The Health Care Reform act was not passed for the minority of the population that does not have healthcare. It was passed for the entire nation. It is not about those who have no insurance, but about the healthcare of every citizen in this country.

 

[WinterBorn]

Unless the "NUMEROUS pageant contestants" of your acquaintance include the current Miss Colorado, how does your anecdotal evidence apply?

You keep trying to downplay the cost of competing in these pageants.

Do you have any information to suggest that she was able to compete at such a high level without spending any money??

If so, please share it with us. Otherwise, the fact that you have several sources showing large amounts of money being spent lends credence to our argument.