What a disgrace

Ridiculous to compare 10 months to 8 years ain't it....Clinton had a great run....no one can argue that...he and the Congress worked pretty much together and produced a very successful economy.... (like Reagan and his Congress did...)
even if he did personally disgrace himself and his office at the time....

Love the backhanded compliment.

We'll see if Trump can hold it together. And he disgraces himself every day.
 
Love the backhanded compliment.

We'll see if Trump can hold it together. And he disgraces himself every day.
Well Thingy, the truth is the truth and facts are facts, like it or not....
Your opinion is nothing more than your opinion....and yes, we will see

Alleged rape, perjury and impeachment is a little more serious than alleged pussy grabing and exaggerations of fact...

 
I love that we live in a nation now where people just say stuff. Where it doesn't matter whether there is any factual foundation at all - they just say whatever they want.

Eventually, even Trump supporters will see the downside to that. When you can't trust anything anyone says, and no one cares.

Already there. That's why I'm a climate skeptic. Government employees are the last people I trust.
 
Originally Posted by Thing1
I love that we live in a nation now where people just say stuff. Where it doesn't matter whether there is any factual foundation at all - they just say whatever they want.

Eventually, even Trump supporters will see the downside to that. When you can't trust anything anyone says, and no one cares.
we've always had baseless opinions masquerading as fact - what is new now is Fake Newz
 
Hey, now! Don't forget the President who is constantly fabricating things and lying about whatever he can, whenever he can...
Trump is a political blowhard.
Fake Newz is an abuse of the 1st amendment by institutions who should be better than this
 
......because you say so. ;)

You give me too much credit for simply posting truisms about what is becoming, proper, prudent, moral, ethical, honorable, or just. Things that matter a great deal to every real conservative and Christian, but not at all to leftists and populists.
 
Well Thingy, the truth is the truth and facts are facts, like it or not....
Your opinion is nothing more than your opinion....and yes, we will see

Alleged rape, perjury and impeachment is a little more serious than alleged pussy grabing and exaggerations of fact...


How about marital rape?
 
So what?

You guys are big Saudi fans, are you?

You're the one who looks like he's grasping. Not me.

More like big Saudi transformation guys.

You’re too caught up in your Trump hate to see that the ‘one guy’ you insist on minimizing is a transformative figure in the region.

It would be nice to have a real Arab Spring instead of the Arab Nightmare that occurred under Obama’s watch.
 
More like big Saudi transformation guys.

You’re too caught up in your Trump hate to see that the ‘one guy’ you insist on minimizing is a transformative figure in the region.

It would be nice to have a real Arab Spring instead of the Arab Nightmare that occurred under Obama’s watch.
It's not a given MbS will get it done either.
I think he will being Crown Prince now..but he is going up against intense corruption and Wahhabism.

Trump should be applauded for supporting him and King Salman.
Obama would never openly embrace that reform as he was too busy trying to be all things to all players in the region
 
It's not a given MbS will get it done either.
I think he will being Crown Prince now..but he is going up against intense corruption and Wahhabism.

Trump should be applauded for supporting him and King Salman.
Obama would never openly embrace that reform as he was too busy trying to be all things to all players in the region

No guarantees of anything in that region.

Obama’s Middle East policy was ineffectual [when it wasn’t disastrous] and he had some sort of bromance with the Iranians hardliners. Remember when the Green Movement was going on in 2009? The protesters got zero support from Obama despite the fact they were marching for democratic reforms.

I can’t conceive of Trump doing a similar thing.

And he’s not doing it with the Saudi reformer now. No one knows how it will turn out but it’s wrong headed to criticize the Trump administration for supporting it.

‘Ineffectual’ isn’t a word I would use in describing Trump’s foreign policy thus far, at least.
 
No guarantees of anything in that region.

Obama’s Middle East policy was ineffectual [when it wasn’t disastrous] and he had some sort of bromance with the Iranians hardliners. Remember when the Green Movement was going on in 2009? The protesters got zero support from Obama despite the fact they were marching for democratic reforms.

I can’t conceive of Trump doing a similar thing.

And he’s not doing it with the Saudi reformer now. No one knows how it will turn out but it’s wrong headed to criticize the Trump administration for supporting it.

‘Ineffectual’ isn’t a word I would use in describing Trump’s foreign policy thus far, at least.
that was the Iranian basij run wild. It was also the shooting of Neda Soltani "the world's most widely seen death".
Not a word from Obama about it.
"remember Neda" became a rallying cry until the mullahs complete shut down the protestors

 
that was the Iranian basij run wild. It was also the shooting of Neda Soltani "the world's most widely seen death".
Not a word from Obama about it.
"remember Neda" became a rallying cry until the mullahs complete shut down the protestors


Trump would have been all over that.

Obama was more concerned about scoring a nuclear deal with the mullahs than anything.
 
Trump would have been all over that.
Obama was more concerned about scoring a nuclear deal with the mullahs than anything.
Obama had this idea that just being Obama was transformative.
It's why he dissed the Sunni's and made nicey nice w/Iran.

So much for that ! Trump is a realist
 
Obama had this idea that just being Obama was transformative.
It's why he dissed the Sunni's and made nicey nice w/Iran.

So much for that ! Trump is a realist

I'd put an "LOL", but it wouldn't be honest. The bolded isn't funny - it's tragically delusional.
 
Did you vote for Obama's first term??
I did.
And I made no bones about the fact that Libya disqualified him for a 2nd term. I voted for Gary Johnson.

I also told anyone that would listen that Hillary was a bad candidate ( not just a corrupted warmonger) on DCJ.
I was laughed at. I was told Libya was meaningless..

"Karma" is a relentless bitch that will be paid
 
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