We're a pro-choice nation

It is an embryo...and advances to a fetus.

When it is born, it is a baby.

If I ask a pregnant woman who wants a baby...she will say she is carrying a baby.

That means nothing in this discussion. It would be the thing she feels comfortable with.

The pregnant woman's answer means everything in this discussion...I thought that's what you were trying to get across... what she's "comfortable with" doesn't mean that something is living or not... (if you destroy an "embryo or a fetus" you're terminating the development of life...?) I have never said that abortion needs to be banned in every situation... but it certainly needs to be taken more seriously and not treated as birth control.... someone just posted one in Four Women will have an abortion before the age of 45...that is beyond sad
 
I'm sorry, but considering the other options available, particularly adoption, there is no other way of looking at it but to say you people think killing unborn children is a good thing....time to fucking cope with the reality of your choices.......

Defunding groups such as planned parenthood will cause the number of abortions in this country to skyrocket. That is fact. It's time to fucking cope with the reality of YOUR choices.

Planned Parenthood Means Fewer Abortions
Roughly half of the more than six million pregnancies in the United States each year are unintended. And many of them are to young mothers: according to the Guttmacher Institute, the rate of unintended pregnancies among sexually active teens is double that of all women.
If only we could find an organization that educates young girls, and boys, about the dangers of early and unwanted pregnancies; a group that distributes contraceptives but also stresses the fact that sexual abstinence is safe, free, and, when used continuously, always prevents pregnancy.
That group could really lower the abortion and teen-age pregnancy rates in this country. Oh. Wait. We have that organization. It’s called Planned Parenthood. Yes, Planned Parenthood offers abortions—which are legal in the United States. Nonetheless, just three per cent of its services involve abortions. The vast majority of those services are devoted to the organization’s more central goal—helping people avoid unwanted pregnancy altogether.
Clearly, better access to birth control and sex education has made significant impacts on unwanted pregnancies. The rate of abortions among adolescents in the U.S. is the lowest it has been since abortions became legal, in 1973. The numbers have fallen by two-thirds since 1988.

Thanks to orgaizations like Planned Parenthood, yet the right wants to defund them which certainly will cause the number of abortions to rise dramatically. I thought they were anti-abortion?
 
The pregnant woman's answer means everything in this discussion...I thought that's what you were trying to get across... what she's "comfortable with" doesn't mean that something is living or not... (if you destroy an "embryo or a fetus" you're terminating the development of life...?) I have never said that abortion needs to be banned in every situation... but it certainly needs to be taken more seriously and not treated as birth control.... someone just posted one in Four Women will have an abortion before the age of 45...that is beyond sad
no.

only simps think women get to dictate reality.

you can kill as many people as you want, you are still beta if you let anyone dictate your reality to you.
:nolovejesus:
 
Defunding groups such as planned parenthood will cause the number of abortions in this country to skyrocket. That is fact. It's time to fucking cope with the reality of YOUR choices.



Thanks to orgaizations like Planned Parenthood, yet the right wants to defund them which certainly will cause the number of abortions to rise dramatically. I thought they were anti-abortion?

Don't worry ....even if they get defunded they're getting a lot of donations:laugh:
 
The pregnant woman's answer means everything in this discussion...I thought that's what you were trying to get across... what she's "comfortable with" doesn't mean that something is living or not...

I agree totally...and that was the trust of what I said when asked to ask a pregnant woman. The fact that a pregnant woman would say she is carrying a baby...means relatively little. Of course she would say that...IF SHE WANTED A BABY.

Ask a pregnant woman who definitely does not want a baby...and she will almost never consider the structure to be a baby.


(if you destroy an "embryo or a fetus" you're terminating the development of life...?)

If you allow an embryo or fetus to grow to term...it will emerge from the woman's womb as a baby...a living human. I grant that.

But until it is born...it is not a living human. It is a fetus totally dependent on the body of the woman in which it is growing. AS I HAVE POINTED OUT A HALF DOZEN TIMES, IT IS A UNIQUE SITUATION.


I have never said that abortion needs to be banned in every situation... but it certainly needs to be taken more seriously and not treated as birth control.... someone just posted one in Four Women will have an abortion before the age of 45...that is beyond sad

Yes, if the numbers are correct...it is sad. Even if the numbers are inflated...it is sad. Even if only a dozen women had abortions...it is sad.

That is not the point, though. If a pregnant woman decides she wants to have an abortion...SHE SIMPLY MUST BE ALLOWED TO MAKE THAT CHOICE. The government should not be able to take that choice away from her.

This "shouldn't be used as birth control" is nonsense. No woman would want to go through the rigors of an abortion rather than use the pill...or some other method of prevention. But occasionally an unintended pregnancy occurs...and the woman in whose body it occurs should not have to be a slave to legislative dictates.
 
I agree totally...and that was the trust of what I said when asked to ask a pregnant woman. The fact that a pregnant woman would say she is carrying a baby...means relatively little. Of course she would say that...IF SHE WANTED A BABY.

Ask a pregnant woman who definitely does not want a baby...and she will almost never consider the structure to be a baby.




If you allow an embryo or fetus to grow to term...it will emerge from the woman's womb as a baby...a living human. I grant that.

But until it is born...it is not a living human. It is a fetus totally dependent on the body of the woman in which it is growing. AS I HAVE POINTED OUT A HALF DOZEN TIMES, IT IS A UNIQUE SITUATION.




Yes, if the numbers are correct...it is sad. Even if the numbers are inflated...it is sad. Even if only a dozen women had abortions...it is sad.

That is not the point, though. If a pregnant woman decides she wants to have an abortion...SHE SIMPLY MUST BE ALLOWED TO MAKE THAT CHOICE. The government should not be able to take that choice away from her.

This "shouldn't be used as birth control" is nonsense. No woman would want to go through the rigors of an abortion rather than use the pill...or some other method of prevention. But occasionally an unintended pregnancy occurs...and the woman in whose body it occurs should not have to be a slave to legislative dictates.
We just think differently...that's not going to change..it's silly to go back and forth any more...I guess as a mom I have to stand strong on this one...So we'll just have to agree to disagree...Have a great weekend....
 
We just think differently...that's not going to change..it's silly to go back and forth any more...I guess as a mom I have to stand strong on this one...So we'll just have to agree to disagree...Have a great weekend....

You too, TOP.

:)
 
I think allowing the woman the choice IS A GOOD THING.

I do not think having an abortion is a good thing.

Try thinking. Thinking is not dangerous to your health.

so.....I don't think mass shootings in schools is a good thing.....what about thinking its a good thing to let people shoot up schools......the only difference is the number of dead children......
 
Still, not one poster has answered this question:

How you can you abort (murder) an unborn child if it isn't alive?
 
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