Well Trump finally got Schiff censored

zymurgy said:
Page 2 states quite clearly collusion is not what they are looking for

"In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of “collusion.”

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"We applied the term coordination in that sense when stating in the report that the investigation did not establish that the
Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
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No, there were two things they were looking for, collusion and interference.

They found no collusion, while they did find interference. By the time we get to page 2 they are then reporting on whether Russia interfered with the election, like they have in every single election since the 30s or so.

You didn't read the article, and because of that you simply keep stating stuff that doesn't mesh with what the report stated.
 
BidenPresident said:
Page 2. Mueller said "collusion" is a meaningless word.
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correct. "We applied the term coordination in that sense when stating in the report that the investigation that the
Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
 
Damocles said:
No, there were two things they were looking for, collusion and interference.

They found no collusion, while they did find interference. By the time we get to page 2 they are then reporting on whether Russia interfered with the election, like they have in every single election since the 30s or so.

You didn't read the article, and because of that you simply keep stating stuff that doesn't mesh with what the report stated.
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the report is up in front of me right now

"In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of “collusion.”

https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download
 
zymurgy said:
the report is up in front of me right now

"In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of “collusion.”
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And you continue to not read the transcript and therefore miss the point of this conversation.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/24/706385781/mueller-report-finds-evidence-of-russian-collusion

WWe're breaking down the results of the special counsel's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. As we've been discussing this hour, the special counsel did not find that President Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government - that according to a summary of the conclusions delivered by the - Attorney General William Barr to the Congress.

This part here: But one of the key questions of Robert Mueller's investigation was into the nature of Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Now you are reading the portion of the report that is about whether the Russians "conspired" (not with Trump, we've already established that the Trump campaign did not collude or conspire with Russia, the report indicates that there was no evidence of that) to "interfere" with the election (as they have with every election since about the 1930s) through "editorials" etc.

Hint: They did. Just like they have in the past.

This was not about Trump at that point.
 
Schiff manufactured a fictional "Ample evidence of collusion" repeatedly claiming such that he had "seen", but could not share, when there was none. Like Nixon and his "secret plan" he simply made it up out of thin air, repeatedly lied to America about it using his position to, himself, interfere in an election.
 
Damocles said:
And you continue to not read the transcript and therefore miss the point of this conversation.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/24/706385781/mueller-report-finds-evidence-of-russian-collusion

WWe're breaking down the results of the special counsel's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. As we've been discussing this hour, the special counsel did not find that President Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government - that according to a summary of the conclusions delivered by the - Attorney General William Barr to the Congress.

This part here: But one of the key questions of Robert Mueller's investigation was into the nature of Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Now you are reading the portion of the report that is about whether the Russians "conspired" (not with Trump, we've already established that the Trump campaign did not collude or conspire with Russia, the report indicates that there was no evidence of that) to "interfere" with the election (as they have with every election since about the 1930s) through "editorials" etc.

Hint: They did. Just like they have in the past.

This was not about Trump at that point.
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why do you keep using the word collusion? You are missing MY POINT


NPR is irrelevant. Mueller was quite clear collusion is not the legal issue.

the Office recognized that the word “collud[e]” was used in communications with the Acting
Attorney General confirming certain aspects of the investigation’s scope and that the term has
frequently been invoked in public reporting about the investigation. But collusion is not a specific
offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code

everytime you use collude, you are just ignoring the report
 
zymurgy said:
why do you keep using the word collusion? You are missing MY POINT


NPR is irrelevant. Mueller was quite clear collusion is not the legal issue.

the Office recognized that the word “collud[e]” was used in communications with the Acting
Attorney General confirming certain aspects of the investigation’s scope and that the term has
frequently been invoked in public reporting about the investigation. But collusion is not a specific
offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code

everytime you use collude, you are just ignoring the report
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Every time I use collude I am using the words your beloved Schiff used in order to lie to Americans about evidence he had "seen with his own eyes" that didn't exist. You are missing the point of the conversation because you are stuck on the word that Schiff used. His censure was deserved, he deliberately lied to the American people using his position to interfere in an election by misleading Americans.
 
zymurgy said:
not just lied

also blocked us from seeing the truth of what was being said

53 witness interviews were blocked, all so Schiff could continue to lie

and democrats don't care. they cheer him on.
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Yeah their hate for Trump is greater than their love for America.
 
Damocles said:
Every time I use collude I am using the words your beloved Schiff used in order to lie to Americans about evidence he had "seen with his own eyes" that didn't exist. You are missing the point of the conversation because you are stuck on the word that Schiff used. His censure was deserved, he deliberately lied to the American people using his position to interfere in an election by misleading Americans.
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my beloved Schiff?

when did you become a retard?
 
zymurgy said:
my beloved Schiff?

when did you become a retard?
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LOL. I was going to ask you the same thing about you (without using the r word though). I simply use the same words Schiff used, you seem to defend him by saying it says "conspire"... Neither of which it says Trump or his Campaign did.. though it does say that the Russians themselves interfered, but that is, as I've repeatedly noted, to be expected as they always have for time immemorial.
 
Damocles said:
Schiff manufactured a fictional "Ample evidence of collusion" repeatedly claiming such that he had "seen", but could not share, when there was none. Like Nixon and his "secret plan" he simply made it up out of thin air, repeatedly lied to America about it using his position to, himself, interfere in an election.
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Indeed. Millions of Americas wee absolutely positive Trump colluded because Schiffhole had seen it.
 
zymurgy said:
not just lied

also blocked us from seeing the truth of what was being said

53 witness interviews were blocked, all so Schiff could continue to lie

and democrats don't care. they cheer him on.
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Yes. This. Schiff deserved the heftier version of censure that was previously voted down because some congresscritters are afraid they'll be caught and censured later and they don't want to be fined.
 
Damocles said:
LOL. I was going to ask you the same thing about you (without using the r word though). I simply use the same words Schiff used, you seem to defend him by saying it says "conspire"... Neither of which it says Trump or his Campaign did.. though it does say that the Russians themselves interfered, but that is, as I've repeatedly noted, to be expected as they always have for time immemorial.
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you suck at debate

BidenPresident is just slithering around. he is technically right, page two says this is not about collusion

but so fucking what retard

point out how on page two he says Trump did not coordinate with the interference

but to say I side with Schiff shows you are just as dumb as bidenforpresident is
 
Damocles said:
This simply is not true. Schiff lied to you and you continue to believe it because you want to, not because of truth.

The Meuller report stated flatly that there was no evidence of collusion between Trump or anyone on his campaign with the Russians. Now, Russia did use social media to mess with folks like they have forever (they used to use letters to the editor back in the day), there was NO EVIDENCE of any collusion between Trump and the Russians, that is where Schiff lied.

He flat told you lies that there was "evidence" that he had "seen with his own (beady little) eyes" of collusion, but there was not, he hadn't seen it, because it didn't exist. It was fictional, he was using his position to give his lies credibility and to intentionally mislead Americans for political gain.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/24/706385781/mueller-report-finds-evidence-of-russian-collusion
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There has been new investigation since Mueller, Durham, and he testified there was. Your article was from 2019.

The Senate investigation was also after Musller. You need updated info.
 
Damocles said:
LOL. I was going to ask you the same thing about you (without using the r word though). I simply use the same words Schiff used, you seem to defend him by saying it says "conspire"... Neither of which it says Trump or his Campaign did.. though it does say that the Russians themselves interfered, but that is, as I've repeatedly noted, to be expected as they always have for time immemorial.
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what the fuck are you talking about?
 
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