"We keep marrying other species and ethnics " - Fox News Host

I'm curious as to what would be considered racist?

If religious viewpoints also considered a certain ethnicity to be incapable of public office, would that be racist? Like an Israeli not voting for a Palestinian simply because he was Palestinian? Is that racist?

I'm not sure "Palestinian" is a race, but I think in your example, someone is being discriminatory BECAUSE of "race" or whatever "Palestinian" is. Being opposed to interracial marriage is not the same thing, there is nothing discriminatory about it, the viewpoint is applied to all races the same, and is not made in a discriminatory way. It's simply a belief that God doesn't want different races to mix, which is why he made different races to begin with. [A-GAIN... and I have to keep repeating this for clarity sake.... This is NOT my viewpoint, it IS the viewpoint of some religious people.]
 
Dixie, mandatory seperation of the races is, in itself, racist. If God, advocates it, then God is advocating a racist policy. The fact that God is advocating doesn't make the policy any less racist.

If God declared that I could rape eight year olds, would it no longer be rape? Of course not.
 
Dixie, mandatory seperation of the races is, in itself, racist. If God, advocates it, then God is advocating a racist policy. The fact that God is advocating doesn't make the policy any less racist.

If God declared that I could rape eight year olds, would it no longer be rape? Of course not.

Separate but equal.

God says people need to be living separate from other races, according to the people Dixie is attempting to defend. As long as one isn't preferred over any other race (read: equal), then it's not racist, he argues.

That's his entire argument.
 
Separate but equal.

God says people need to be living separate from other races, according to the people Dixie is attempting to defend. As long as one isn't preferred over any other race (read: equal), then it's not racist, he argues.

That's his entire argument.

Separation, in itself, eliminates all pretension of equality.

End of thread.
 
Sorry Waterhead, but I've not said anything about "separation of the races" in my argument. My personal view is completely different from those who hold the religious belief I am discussing. I don't know that they believe races should be separated, just that they shouldn't marry and have children together, because it is against the will of God to do so. I can't really speak for this religious viewpoint, as much as you pinheads would love for me to, because it isn't my personal beliefs, it isn't how I believe. I have discussed it with people who do have this belief, and knowing them personally, I can attest to the fact they are not 'racist' in any way. I know that probably doesn't mean much coming from me, but it's my experience.

Through this entire debate, the only real "point" I've had, is to illustrate how the 'politically correct' viewpoint is bigoted, based on stereotype, and can't support the 'racist' claim it makes. From your 'politically correct' perspective, you see anything that could possibly be construed as 'race-related' to be 'racist' and that very mindset is the same mindset that promotes racism. It is a perspective from bigotry.

It is insidious because so many people have been brainwashed into focusing on this trivial kind of bullshit... like what Brian Kilmeade said... like Old Testament religious folks beliefs... while people like David Dukes are out there preaching their hate and vile toward blacks, "joos", and others. Instead of us being intensely focused like a blue-hot laser on the REAL racists, we are sidetracked in silly little 'debates' like this! We're all busy throwing up strawmen... criticizing a guy because he has the confederate flag on his avatar... bitching and moaning about the civil war... THAT is what we are focused on! While the REAL racists continue to flourish amongst us.
 
simply because of operation of law.....there is no significant scientific difference between a fetus one hour before birth and a birthed child one hour after.........

Significant difference? Here's two to start. From the moment a baby takes it's first breath it's blood flow starts to change direction. I would call that significant.

Certain veins carrying blood to organs collapse, atrophy and become "cords" which hold the organs in place.

I suggest you do a little research concerning the changes.
 
What if we say....... You are not actually a "person" unless you vote Republican? You okay with that, if we decide this should be the criteria? Oh well, it doesn't matter if you're okay with it, we aren't going to give your voice any say in the matter, because you aren't a person! Constitutional rights? Pft... those are also for persons, not for you, because we've defined you as not being a person. Pretty neat huh?

Regardless of what you want to claim an unborn fetus isn't, you can't deny biology, which says an unborn fetus is a human being. A living male or female human being, with distinct and unique human DNA, with it's own fingerprints, brain, heart, blood, etc. Because you have incorrectly defined it as a "non-person" doesn't mean much, except that it gives you the justification you need to kill it. That's how I see it.

Three questions:
1. If it is not human, what kind of life form is it?
2. If it's not alive, why does it need to be 'terminated'?
3. If it is human life, why are we debating it?

First, I would think voting Republican would show the individual isn't human. :-)

Some folks like to jump on the DNA wagon. They tend to forget it is ONE way of classifying something. Not the only way.

1. Zygotes/embryos/fetuses are made up of human material. That does not mean they are human beings.

2. Why does a tumor need to be removed? It is growing. We have to stop the growth. We do not say a tumor, made of human material, is "alive".

3. It is not a human life. It is composed of human material and it is growing. It may or may not develop into a human being.

Somewhere around 50% of fertilized eggs simply cease to exist. We don't know why and as far as I know there isn't a major effort to find out. The same applies to later date miscarriages. What type of investigation is done when an embryo/fetus miscarries?

Classifying an embryo/fetus a human being cheapens every other human being. For example, why should a woman with a defective body be allowed to terminate the life of another human being? If a pregnant woman develops uncontrolled high blood pressure or diabetes and those illnesses threaten her health/life why should she be allowed to terminate the pregnancy, kill an innocent human being?

If we are going to classify embryos/fetuses as human beings then such women must be compelled to carry the pregnancy to completion regardless of the consequences to her. Otherwise, if society mandates a woman may terminate a pregnancy due to her faulty body then we have two classes of human beings. The life of the human being known as "woman" is automatically considered superior to the life of the human being known as a "fetus".

Haven't we been down this road before when society made distinctions between human beings, when certain human beings were worth less than other human beings? Sure we have. From the treatment of black people to the treatment of Jews we're all well aware of what happens.

If the life of the woman is considered more important than the life of the fetus, even when it is the woman with the defective body, what logic or common sense would stop a reverse policy? Surely logic and common sense would mandate the pregnancy continue even of the woman does suffer grave damage. Do we kill the healthy so the sick may live? Talk about an upside down world! And that's the type of world we would live in if embryos/fetuses were considered human beings. We would be sanctioning the killing of the healthy so the sick may live.
 
Of course it is a human, but according to our constitution it is not a person that is protected by our laws.
that's a stretch.....are you suggesting that the drafters of the Constitution were actively thinking about the issue of abortion when they drafted it?.....our Constitution says nothing about WHEN someone becomes a person and you know as well as I do that someone practicing abortion in 1776 would have been punished soundly by the law
You must be born, according to the constitution to get the full benefits of the protection of the United States. Your not being a person till you vote republican is never going to happen. I think YOU MIGHT be able to push an amendment that says the unborn have all the rights and protections of the constitution but I don't think you could get the super majority of states to ratify. Until they do, the unborn don't get rights under the US constitution.
the constitution provides for certain protections that may not be denied upon arbitrary or capricious standards......can you tell me of a distinction between an unbirthed fetus and a birthed one that is not arbitrary and capricious?......
 
the constitution provides for certain protections that may not be denied upon arbitrary or capricious standards......can you tell me of a distinction between an unbirthed fetus and a birthed one that is not arbitrary and capricious?......

Human beings are individuals. They do not share bodies. There isn't anything arbitrary and capricious about that. It is the fundamental basis on which our society is built. It is the very definition of freedom. No one shares our body....well, not in the sense of actually taking up residence inside.
 
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/e...ng-Fox-Newser-America-Not-a-Pure-Society.html


"The Swedes have pure genes, because they marry other Swedes because that's their role," he continued. "Finland. Finns marry other Finns, so they have a pure society. In America, we marry everybody. So we marry Italians, Irish. So that [study] does not apply to us."



on why a study in Scandanavia can't apply to the rest of us "non pure" "species"


Do I really even have to say anything on this one? Can one of you knuckledragging conservatives clarify what he meant by "species"?

In actual fact Sweden is no longer a homogeneous society, I believe that over 10% of the population is now immigrants.
 
Significant difference? Here's two to start. From the moment a baby takes it's first breath it's blood flow starts to change direction. I would call that significant.

Certain veins carrying blood to organs collapse, atrophy and become "cords" which hold the organs in place.

I suggest you do a little research concerning the changes.

I will deal with the second first, since it is the easiest to discount....obviously that change doesn't occur within a moment's time.....thus, it is invalid as a determinant of "personhood" since you cannot distinguish between what exists on the third day versus the tenth let alone the moment before and the moment after....

in addition it shares a major fault with the first you suggested....when labor can be induced or a child delivered by caesarian, how can "personhood" be identified by the arbitrary stroke of a physician's scalpel on the umbilical cord?....is it the doctor's act which forms a living human being?.....can the same scalpel be used to either cut the umbilical or cut the throat?.......
 
1. Zygotes/embryos/fetuses are made up of human material. That does not mean they are human beings.
a fingernail paring from a fetus and from a birthed child are both human material...a birthed child and a fetus are both whole entities....there is no valid scientific reason to treat one differently from the other....

2. Why does a tumor need to be removed? It is growing. We have to stop the growth. We do not say a tumor, made of human material, is "alive".

an unborn child is not a tumor, but even then, yes a tumor is alive....and certainly an unborn child is alive....the moment before birth a fetus will respond to every stimulus that a birthed child will respond to and in exactly the same way.....
3. It is not a human life. It is composed of human material and it is growing. It may or may not develop into a human being.
of course it's a human life....the DNA doesn't change at birth from "chicken" to "human"...from the moment of conception on the DNA of the child can be distinguished from that of the mother, the father, and every other human being on earth...it is human, it is a unique individual, it is alive....

Somewhere around 50% of fertilized eggs simply cease to exist. We don't know why and as far as I know there isn't a major effort to find out. The same applies to later date miscarriages. What type of investigation is done when an embryo/fetus miscarries?

and does this somehow give you a right to kill a percentage of those that survive?.....somewhere around 100% of birthed children cease to exist within 110 years or so of birth....I expect we could use that same logic to justify killing any one of them, no?.....

Classifying an embryo/fetus a human being cheapens every other human being.
obviously the opposite is true...denying the unborn status as a human being cheapens the value of life.....we have an entire generation of people who have grown up believing you can take life at whim....do you think that has no impact upon the way they view the rest of humanity?.....

For example, why should a woman with a defective body be allowed to terminate the life of another human being? If a pregnant woman develops uncontrolled high blood pressure or diabetes and those illnesses threaten her health/life why should she be allowed to terminate the pregnancy, kill an innocent human being?

If we are going to classify embryos/fetuses as human beings then such women must be compelled to carry the pregnancy to completion regardless of the consequences to her. Otherwise, if society mandates a woman may terminate a pregnancy due to her faulty body then we have two classes of human beings. The life of the human being known as "woman" is automatically considered superior to the life of the human being known as a "fetus".
ignoring the situation of abortions for non-medical reasons, which in truth represents the vast majority of abortions......

Haven't we been down this road before when society made distinctions between human beings, when certain human beings were worth less than other human beings? Sure we have.
????....that is precisely what you are doing by permitting abortion....saying that an unborn human being is of no value...in truth you are mirroring the antebellum slave owners and the Nazis, both of whom insisted their victims weren't really human beings.....

We would be sanctioning the killing of the healthy so the sick may live.
you are sanctioning the killing of the healthy right now....
 
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Human beings are individuals. They do not share bodies. There isn't anything arbitrary and capricious about that. It is the fundamental basis on which our society is built. It is the very definition of freedom. No one shares our body....well, not in the sense of actually taking up residence inside.

every unborn child is an individual.....you can test it's DNA and distinguish it from the mother and from every other human being.....it's body is not "shared" with the mother's body, it is supported by it....I know a young couple going through this right now, premature twins born about 100 days ago, both under 2lbs at birth....their bodies were separate from the mother's body, and separated from the mother's body prematurely.....is it not arbitrary that in this instance the separation occurred nearly a hundred days before full term?.....are these kids somehow more "persons" than a child of the same age still in the womb?.....
 
I'm not sure "Palestinian" is a race, but I think in your example, someone is being discriminatory BECAUSE of "race" or whatever "Palestinian" is. Being opposed to interracial marriage is not the same thing, there is nothing discriminatory about it, the viewpoint is applied to all races the same, and is not made in a discriminatory way. It's simply a belief that God doesn't want different races to mix, which is why he made different races to begin with. [A-GAIN... and I have to keep repeating this for clarity sake.... This is NOT my viewpoint, it IS the viewpoint of some religious people.]

And where did god say anything about people from different "races" not being able to marry in the bible?
 
No Damo, actually BAC is right. We are all mixed. That's how the genetic variation, which drives evolution, is primarily derived from. With out that mixing (shift in allele frequency) we are all at a genetic dead end.
Not my point. Races are not "mixed" we are simply different paths from the same beginning. Races do not exist, they are a fabrication of society based on non-consequential differences such as pigmentation, there is only one human race with diverse ethnicities.
 
And where did god say anything about people from different "races" not being able to marry in the bible?


I'm sure it doesn't.

Dixie just made that shit up. Its patently obvious that Dixie has spent his adult life around people who spew this racist garbage. That's where he picks it up from.
 
And where did god say anything about people from different "races" not being able to marry in the bible?

Well God clearly doesn't say that, or else I would venture to say, we would have fewer interracial marriages. As I stated, it is an "interpretation" of something in the Bible. I posted the story of the Tower of Babel from Genesis 11, and I believe that is the scripture which has been interpreted to mean what I stated. I know that you and Prissy believe these reflect my personal viewpoints, and that's fine, you believe whatever you want to about me, bigoted prejudiced people have to believe all kinds of things to support their hate. I have merely defended religious people, who are not being 'racist' in their religiously-based viewpoint. I can disagree with their viewpoint, you can disagree with their viewpoint, but that doesn't make it racist. In order to be 'racist' it would have to be based on racial discrimination, the philosophy of racial superiority, the belief that a race is inferior to others, but this particular religious viewpoint has nothing to do with 'racist' views, it has to do with people obeying what they believe is mandated by the God they worship. Can you understand the distinctive difference? Yes, of course a racist could use this religious view to hide behind, but a racist can also marry someone of another race and hide behind an interracial marriage!
 
Well God clearly doesn't say that, or else I would venture to say, we would have fewer interracial marriages. As I stated, it is an "interpretation" of something in the Bible. I posted the story of the Tower of Babel from Genesis 11, and I believe that is the scripture which has been interpreted to mean what I stated. I know that you and Prissy believe these reflect my personal viewpoints, and that's fine, you believe whatever you want to about me, bigoted prejudiced people have to believe all kinds of things to support their hate. I have merely defended religious people, who are not being 'racist' in their religiously-based viewpoint. I can disagree with their viewpoint, you can disagree with their viewpoint, but that doesn't make it racist. In order to be 'racist' it would have to be based on racial discrimination, the philosophy of racial superiority, the belief that a race is inferior to others, but this particular religious viewpoint has nothing to do with 'racist' views, it has to do with people obeying what they believe is mandated by the God they worship. Can you understand the distinctive difference? Yes, of course a racist could use this religious view to hide behind, but a racist can also marry someone of another race and hide behind an interracial marriage!


I read that passage, and it doesn't say anything about races not being allowed to marry.

why would somebody "interpret" it that way?


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