We can't afford NOT TO do single payer health care

I AM said:
Well cocksucker breath,if you remember right,the Republicans wouldn't do a fucking thing to help fix the healthcare system! As far a shoving things down throats,is that why you're a cum gargler!
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Yawn. Seriously. YAWN. The only person that would "thank" your for this mindless drivel is obviously your inbred sibling. Guno.
 
LV426 said:
You know nothing about me, but your constant screeching about "welfare" sounds a lot like consciousness of guilt and projection.

Also, if you're gonna steal my lines, you should either credit me or pay me royalties.

Stop mooching off my work, welfare leech.
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Sure I do. You are here 24/7. Obviously you have no job. You are always screaming about the need for more free shit. That makes you a democrat. Once again asshole, get a job. Or kill yourself. If you need help PM me.
 
Theywillneverlearn! said:
In other words the truth. Something a generational, white, welfare collecting democrat cannot face.
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You wouldn't recognize "the truth" if you accidentally bumped into it with your nose, Asshole.

By the way, I am not collecting welfare and never have...and I am not a Democrat. Stop putting so much effort into trying to prove you are an asshole. We already know that you are.
 
Theywillneverlearn! said:
Sure I do. You are here 24/7. Obviously you have no job. You are always screaming about the need for more free shit. That makes you a democrat. Once again asshole, get a job. Or kill yourself. If you need help PM me.
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You're here on JPP more than I am and you post at all hours of the day. I do not.
 
Theywillneverlearn! said:
Sure I do. You are here 24/7. Obviously you have no job. You are always screaming about the need for more free shit. That makes you a democrat. Once again asshole, get a job. Or kill yourself. If you need help PM me.
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It's obvious from this tantrum that you don't have a job and are on welfare because all you're doing on this thread is seeking to tear people down because you don't believe in ANYTHING.

You're a phony and a fraud, and you know it.
 
LV426 said:
Right now according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, it costs about $22K a year to provide a worker with health insurance.
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Argument from randU. You are just quoting made up numbers again.
LV426 said:
Of that $22K cost, the worker pays about $6K and the employer pays about $16K.
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Argument from randU fallacy. Random numbers are not data.
LV426 said:
For a business of 50 employees, that is $800,000 a year that the company is spending on health care. Most businesses of 50 employees or less make an average income of just $53,000 a year. $800,000 spent on health care, $53,000 in profit.
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Math based on random numbers.
LV426 said:
Under Bernie Sanders' M4A proposal, that business of 50 employees would pay exactly $0 in taxes to provide health care for their workers, saving $800,000 a year that can be put toward employee salaries, renovations, or new hires. Bernie's plan sets a 7.5% tax on business income in excess of $100,000. Most small businesses don't even come close to making that amount of profit, and those that do are hedge funds (they get taxed separately under Bernie's proposal).
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TANSTAAFL. Nothin's free.
LV426 said:
But what about the employee? Won't they have to pay too? Yes, of course. They pay 4% on income above $29,000. The average HH income in the country is about $70K, so the average amount paid by workers in taxes for single payer would be just $1,600. Remember, workers pay $6,000 for health care right now. For a worker to pay the same amount, they would have to make at least $150,000/yr. Only 10% of US workers make more than $150,000 a year.
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Nope. Communism doesn't work.
 
LV426 said:
I am saying capitalism isn't working because patient outcomes are negative, not positive. Life expectancy has declined for Americans. That's a direct result of our for-profit system.
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Nope. You are making shit up again.
Attempted proof by circular argument (fundamentalism).
 
NiftyNiblick said:
The civilized world has socialized medicine.

What little manufacturing we have has to compete with foreign companies that don't have to directly pay for employee heath insurance
because of national healthcare.


By the way, to slightly change the subject, in my union represented job, I paid 0% of my health insurance costs.
And in retirement, I still get significant contribution to my Medicare supplemental...but unions suck from what I'm told.
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Communism isn't 'civilization'. It's theft.
The States has a lot of manufacturing, and it has no problem competing.
 
American healthcare is like the CIA, it is so big and has been so broken for so long that it cant be fixed through normal methods. I think that the only thing that could in theory work is nationalizing everything for 20 years, completely reimaging it, and then selling it off in the properly configured chunks.

But there is not enough competence in the expert class to do this, and the courts up till now would never have allowed this.

We're Screwed.
 
Diesel said:
It's amazing that this is still a debate in the US. And as usual, it's lower income conservatives who would benefit from M4A who are opposed to it. They really are so brainwashed by their corporate overlords and wealthy individuals that they argue against their own self interest. Different day, same story.
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Communism doesn't work.
 
LV426 said:
Teach us all how the health care markets "work" if you think you're so smart and have it all figured out.
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Capitalism. It always works. Indeed, it built the entire health care industry, the pharma industry, AND the health insurance industry.
 
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Especially if Pres.Moron keeps allowing millions of disease-hazard illegals into our nation, with the taxpayers stuck with the bill for their care.
 
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