Lightbringer
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Do you really believe that all of this propaganda we've been subjected to is about NOT sending people to war in the Ukraine?
warpig
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Do you really believe that all of this propaganda we've been subjected to is about NOT sending people to war in the Ukraine?
You were on the ground during Euromaiden? What was it like? Or is this another one of your stories?
When France decided to leave the NATO command structure, did the USA invade France, or did we just shrug it off? When the British decided to leave the EU, did the EU invade Britain, or did they just shrug it off?
You do not mind Russia invading Ukraine to keep them from ever joining the EU or NATO, or ever developing a modern country. What about Estonia, or Poland? Where is the line?
Can Putin invade Kansas? Are you OK with that?
And here we get to where we disagree. I wish the Chinese all the prosperity they can have. I want them to rise. The world is not a zero sum game. My concern is with the abandonment of our allies.
trump in a moment of insanity --- or should I say a moment within a lifetime of insanity --- said we should bomb Russia with pilots disguised as Chinese pilots. They would wear some sort of magical makeup, or something. he was literally the worst choice for the white house. Not just the worst human choice, but the worst vertebrate choice. Any squirrel would have been better.
Back in the real world, Biden is not going to send American forces to Ukraine. There will be almost certainly American volunteers, most of them Ukrainian-American, but they will not be under American protection while in Ukraine. We are not setting up a no fly zone over Ukraine. We are not fighting in Ukraine.
We are sending forces to the border of NATO. If Putin did not want that, he should have taken the deal.
American Man
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The thing about being the world's only superpower is that everything affects us in some way.
American Man
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Conservatives love war. You should be excited to send more boys to die. You were happy when Bush did it.
Dutch Uncle
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No. It proves you're a fucking moron or a liar. I'm inclined to believe the latter but accept the former as part of the problem.
yep that was me.
I was the one standing behind Vicky Nuland with the cupcakes. I didn't just read the coverage ( you asshat)
what the hell are you yammering??
Ukraine was never a part of NATO or EU - you are talking shit
Putin can't get past Mariupol after shelling it for a month
When he gets to Kansas let me know -idiot.
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you idiot. China uses malign trade practices, and hegemonic designs like the 9 dash line
If you wern't so full of shit you'd understand that what was Trump was negotiating -
that Bidens new US trade rep endorsed ( and Biden quickly forgot about)
This while Biden was saying China is no threat
Biden Trade Chief Pledges to Build Off Trump’s China Agreement
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-pledges-to-build-off-trump-s-china-agreement
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Japan and the Philippines just met to push back on China's South China Sea claims
you are by far the most opinionated and least informed I have ever encuntered
Japan, Philippines Eye Further Defense Cooperation at First 2+2 Meeting April 9, 2022.
https://www.voanews.com/a/japan-phi...ooperation-at-first-2-2-meeting-/6522008.html
Dutch Uncle
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....and supports Putin. Xi is Putin's buddy.
we are not the only superpower. China and Russia both qualify, or at least Russia was before it got mangled in Ukraine.
Not only that China is out to dominate
https://www.historyextra.com/period/modern/has-china-always-been-world-greatest-global-superpower/
China under current president Xi Jinping is a global superpower. With the world's second-largest economy, a permanent seat in the United Nations Security Council, a modernised armed force and an ambitious space programme, China has the potential to replace the United States as the greatest superpower in the future.
Dutch Uncle
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Russia and China are the primary threats to world peace. Fuck you, Dookie, and all other Russian cocksuckers like you.
indeed
This is what happened while we were playing put Putin in a box (sanctions/NATO expansion)
and sending him off gift wrapped to Xi
Dutch Uncle
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ROFLMAO ^^^ dumbass is now blaming America for Putin sucking up to China and invading Ukraine.
Do your neighbors know you hate the US so much, Dookie? Do they know you support Russia in dominating the planet? What would be their reaction if they found out the truth about you?
fucking idiot
Western sanctions tie Russia even tighter to China
https://www.axios.com/russia-ukrain...omy-9957caed-21be-4fb6-ac60-c4ff50ea44c0.html
The state of play: In the weeks before the invasion, Beijing lifted restrictions on wheat imports from Russia and signed a 30-year deal to buy increased volumes of Russian gas — signaling China's massive market was opening further to Russia.
China and Russia have recently inked several energy deals that are largely outside the U.S. dollar-based international financial system, using the Chinese yuan, the Financial Times reports.
Russian oil company Gazprom Neft announced last year that it would use yuan for airplane fuel transactions with China instead of the U.S. dollar.
Russia is also a major recipient of loans from Chinese financial institutions, receiving $151 billion between 2000 and 2017.
A previous round of Western sanctions over Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea saw Russia reorient its economy toward China, signing a $400 billion deal to send gas there and increasing cooperation around infrastructure and technology.
Dutch Uncle
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stupid moron. pictures is all you got.
I just showed you sanctions drive China and Russia into "enduring friendship"
They were hoping for a thaw in Cold War relations. Russia had had four years of failed wheat crops. We weren’t formally at war, so would you let people starve?
we always maintained diplomacy during Cold War 1.
we stopped it after the Russian reset failed - those Trump years where he was scorned for trying to deal with Putin resulted in yet more pressure on Russia by arming Ukraine.
Finally Biden rejected Russia's red line talks...not carrying on diplomacy took it's toll
Dutch Uncle
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Why are you denying that Putin and Xi are allies??? Are you now saying the pictures are fake?
