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Hello Darth,

No wonder they try and get here.

I don’t blame them, actually. Living in a shit hole country must suck. But how many do we take? Just keep taking them and taking them?

Should we think about putting a cap on it?

What do the rich care? They have no problem extracting the wealth of immigrants right alongside everybody else in the 99.9%. They extract way more than health insurance costs them.
 
Hello tsuke,

despite the partisan posts in this thread i do find this slightly encouraging. Hopefully we can all get to the point where we root for President Trump to suceed.

Remember we are

One Country
One People
and have One Trump as our leader

: )

I agree we all want our nation to succeed. Problem is: I see Trump leading us backwards.

Fortunately our nation is capable of far more than our current leader.
 
Originally Posted by Darth Omar
And you’re ignorant of the current job market lol.

This isn’t 1920 when hordes of Europeans immigrated to the steel mills in Pittsburgh or the coal fields of WV. The country needed mass immigration of unskilled or low skilled workers at the time. There is no living wage to be had for someone of that job-caliber today. For every one of them that makes something of himself there’s going to be 8 or 10 that lag behind.

It’s going to overload our already stressed entitlement programs.
good points.
we need economic assets -not just more unskilled labor. The new economy is a skilled economy.
That's why we need to end chain migration as well in exchange for merit based.

Central America is not our problem. we are not here to save the world's refugee.
we take care of the USA's needs. You don't see China taking in refugees.

where they have mass migration in Europe,it's been a dismal failure,and nationalistic governments are cropping up
Italy is the latest example- but there are many more
 
Did you know that the Obama Administration was slapped down by a federal judge and a federal appellate court for "punishing" illegal immigrants by caging kids, separating families, and detaining asylees?

A federal judge in California ruled in 2015 that the Obama administration was in violation of the settlement when it tried to jail families together. The judge also said children could be held for no longer than 20 days.

Dolly M. Gee rejected arguments made by the Obama administration, as did the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-seeks-court-approval-to-detain-families-together-1529610123?tesla=y&mod=article_inline

As Central American children flooded into Texas in a way he had never seen in his three-decade career, Border Patrol agent Robert Harris decided to experiment.

His intelligence analysts estimated that 78 percent of the guides smuggling other migrants were Mexicans younger than 18 — often hired or conscripted by drug cartels that knew they would not be prosecuted if caught — and he wanted to attack this loophole.

“Why don’t we remove these juveniles from the smuggling cycle?” Harris, the commander of the Laredo sector of U.S. Customs and Border Protection, recalled thinking.

As a result of that decision, young Mexicans were being held for months without charge in shelters across the United States, sometimes without their parents’ knowledge.

Since the program began in May, 536 juveniles were held — 248 of whom were deported to Mexico after an average stay of 75 days, according to Border Patrol statistics.

Mexican authorities say some of these repeat border-crossers spent as much as six months in U.S. custody while they awaited an appearance before an immigration judge.

During their detention, they were questioned by U.S. authorities and then transferred to a network of facilities run by the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services, across 15 states.

Harris said the Border Patrol does not have a system to track what happens to juveniles once they return to Mexico.

In the past, Mexican minors picked up by the Border Patrol normally would be deported by bus, sometimes on the same day they arrived. Some of those kids were captured more than 60 times, and Obama’s officers identified about 800 young Mexicans operating in Texas.

Obama's program began in two Border Patrol sectors, Laredo and Del Rio, consisting of nearly 400 miles of the Texas border with Mexico. “The moment it started, it took us all by surprise, because there wasn't an announcement,” said Reyna Torres Mendívil, director general of the Mexican Foreign Ministry’s office for protection of Mexicans abroad. “Where were they taking these children?”

Typically, unless there are aggravating circumstances, they won’t be prosecuted. So this period of detention is intended to be a punishment in lieu of a criminal charge.

The shelters they are sent to also house juveniles from Central America, awaiting flights home; last year, the Mexican kids accounted for about 1 percent of all the detainees in these facilities.

Oscar Jaime Rodriguez Mendoza, a 16-year-old from the border town of Reynosa, left for the United States and didn’t come home. “We didn’t know what had happened to him,” said his mother, Leonor Mendoza, a 37-year-old clothing vendor.
She finally learned that he had been sent to a shelter in California. “It’s a type of punishment so they won’t cross as much” his mother said.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/mexican-kids-held-for-months-as-punishment-for-border-crossing/2015/03/10/311d319a-b2f2-11e4-bf39-5560f3918d4b_story.html?noredirect=on[

Yes, I am well aware of the fact that the Dems are much tougher on illegal immigration than the GOP.

Thanks for helping make my point.
 
good points.
we need economic assets -not just more unskilled labor. The new economy is a skilled economy.
That's why we need to end chain migration as well in exchange for merit based.

Central America is not our problem. we are not here to save the world's refugee.
we take care of the USA's needs. You don't see China taking in refugees.

where they have mass migration in Europe,it's been a dismal failure,and nationalistic governments are cropping up
Italy is the latest example- but there are many more

Unfettered immigration is national suicide.
 
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good points.
we need economic assets -not just more unskilled labor. The new economy is a skilled economy.
That's why we need to end chain migration as well in exchange for merit based.

Central America is not our problem. we are not here to save the world's refugee.
we take care of the USA's needs. You don't see China taking in refugees.

where they have mass migration in Europe,it's been a dismal failure,and nationalistic governments are cropping up
Italy is the latest example- but there are many more

Why would you compare the US to China?
China is grossly overpopulated and can't even feed its own citizens.
How have you so forgotten what it means to be an American, what America is really about?
 
famine and poverty are not legal reasons for asylum

We can't save every country in the world from famine and poverty, true. At that time Haiti had been through a humanitarian crisis because of hurricane Matthew. That storm left 35,000 homeless and killed close to 600. It wouldn't hurt to let some Haitians in and allow them to contribute to our society.
 
We can't save every country in the world from famine and poverty, true. At that time Haiti had been through a humanitarian crisis because of hurricane Matthew. That storm left 35,000 homeless and killed close to 600. It wouldn't hurt to let some Haitians in and allow them to contribute to our society.

Especially young children for Hillary's foundation workers? :burn:
 
Especially young children for Hillary's foundation workers? :burn:

Your desperation to pin something,,, anything... on Hillary is noted. Now listen up. I'm doing the civility thing next week so I can't insult you then. So take the following .gif and mentally apply it to every snark post you make to me over the next 7 days. :D

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Your desperation to pin something,,, anything... on Hillary is noted.

Your determination to avoid admitting that Hillary has ever done something - anything wrong is noted. :D

Try this:


A senior adviser to Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign who was accused of repeatedly sexually harassing a young subordinate was kept on the campaign at Mrs. Clinton’s request, according to four people familiar with what took place.

Mrs. Clinton’s campaign manager at the time recommended that she fire the adviser, Burns Strider. But Mrs. Clinton did not. Instead, Mr. Strider was docked several weeks of pay and ordered to undergo counseling, and the young woman was moved to a new job.

Mr. Strider, who was Mrs. Clinton’s faith adviser, was a founder of the American Values Network and sent the candidate scripture readings every morning for months during the campaign, was hired five years later to lead an independent group that supported Mrs. Clinton’s 2016 candidacy, Correct the Record, which was created by a close Clinton ally, David Brock.

He was fired after several months for workplace issues, including allegations that he harassed a young female aide, according to three people close to Correct the Record’s management.

Mr. Strider did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

Those familiar with the accounts said that, over the years, a number of advisers urged Mrs. Clinton to sever ties with Mr. Strider, and people familiar with what took place did not want to see Mrs. Clinton blamed for the misconduct of men she was close to.

The complaint from the young woman was initially brought to Jess O’Connell, who was the national director of operations for the Clinton campaign.

Ms. O’Connell, who is currently the chief executive officer of the Democratic National Committee, handled the investigation and advised the Clinton campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, that Mr. Strider should be fired, according to three people familiar with the events.

Ms. O’Connell told colleagues that she was concerned that the young woman making the allegations should not be demoted when she was moved from Mr. Strider’s supervision. The woman requested to have no more interactions with Mr. Strider, and she was moved to a different job within the campaign, reporting directly to Mike Henry, the deputy campaign manager.

The investigation into Mr. Strider’s conduct was described as brief, but it included a review of a number of emails he sent the young woman, who had shared an office with him.

Eampant Pregnancy Discrimination in America’s Top Companies

A spokesman for Mrs. Clinton provided a statement from Utrecht, Kleinfeld, Fiori, Partners, the law firm that had represented the campaign in 2008 and which her advisers said has been involved on sexual harassment issues.

“To ensure a safe working environment, the campaign had a process to address complaints of misconduct or harassment. When matters arose, they were reviewed in accordance with these policies, and appropriate action was taken,” the statement said. “This complaint was no exception.”

Late Friday night, more than a day after The New York Times reached out to her aides for comment, Mrs. Clinton posted on Twitter that she was “dismayed when it occurred.”

Mrs. Clinton did not address why she ignored advisers’ recommendations that she fire Mr. Strider.

The woman’s experience and the reaction to it have not been previously reported. Clinton associates were unwilling to discuss the events for publication.

This account was based on interviews with eight former campaign officials and associates of Mrs. Clinton’s.

They said that Ms. Solis Doyle, the campaign manager, and other senior campaign officials discussed the situation involving Mr. Strider and Mrs. Clinton’s response at the time. Some of them were troubled that he was allowed to remain on the campaign.

The complaint against Mr. Strider was made by a 30-year-old woman who shared an office with him. She told a campaign official that Mr. Strider had rubbed her shoulders inappropriately, kissed her on the forehead and sent her a string of suggestive emails, including at least one during the night, according to three former campaign officials familiar with what took place.

The complaint was taken to Ms. Doyle, the campaign manager, who approached Mrs. Clinton and urged that Mr. Strider, who was married at the time, be fired, according to the officials familiar with what took place. Mrs. Clinton said she did not want to, and instead he remained on her staff.

Ms. Doyle was fired shortly after that in a staff shake-up in response to Mrs. Clinton’s third-place finish in the 2008 Iowa caucuses. And Mr. Strider never attended the mandated counseling, according to two people with direct knowledge of the situation.

The woman who made the accusation against Mr. Strider in 2008 has not spoken publicly about it. She, like most campaign staff members, signed a nondisclosure agreement that barred employees from publicly discussing internal dynamics on the campaign, according to two people with direct knowledge of the contract. Reached by a reporter, she declined to comment.

Ms. Solis Doyle also declined to comment.

Mrs. Clinton’s candidacy has been cited as an inspiration for the #MeToo movement. After several Hollywood actresses told The Times and The New Yorker that Harvey Weinstein, a longtime friend and donor to the Clintons, had harassed or assaulted them, Mrs. Clinton said in a statement that she was “shocked and appalled by the revelations.”

Weeks later the actress Lena Dunham, one of Mrs. Clinton’s most visible celebrity supporters in her 2016 presidential bid, told The Times that she warned two Clinton campaign aides against associating with Mr. Weinstein. “I just want you to know that Harvey’s a rapist and this is going to come out at some point,” Ms. Dunham told the campaign.

Nick Merrill, the communications director for Mrs. Clinton, said at the time Ms. Dunham spoke publicly that she was mistaken.



https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/26/us/politics/hillary-clinton-chose-to-shield-a-top-adviser-accused-of-harassment-in-2008.html



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