Wahhh, Starbucks's cups are not Christmasie enough...

christiefan915 said:
The one who diverted the topic to "Christian nation" is you. Jarod brought up those who want American laws to be based on conservative Christian theology, you asked for a link, I gave Carson and his tithing example. I fail to see how that one example translates to me talking about a "Christian nation" as you assert.

Jarod: I disagree, those I named want to base American law on conservative Christian ideology.

Damo: Link us up.

christie: Carson wants the tax code changed to be like tithing.
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No, he specifically stated "Christian Nation". Hence the conversation about "Christian Nation"... You simply took a quote where he had tried to crabwalk away from his claim to "based on their religion"...

Everybody, and I mean everybody, bases their opinions on what they believe. Every. Single. Person. On. The. Planet. Everybody bases their opinions on what they believe.

The words "Christian Nation" have meaning, it is why we have a 1st Amendment which every person he mentioned supports. They simply believe that they can say Jesus more often than you want them to. I don't care if they mention Jesus, so long as their policy is saner than cheering when the food stamp recipients double because those people will spend...
 
christiefan915 said:
Which hits poor people the hardest.
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That would depend. I prefer a consumption tax with a card for those who can show they make less than a specific amount. Corporate taxes hit the poor the hardest but you support those. The people who can least afford it wind up paying more for their stuff because corporations have to pay and pass on that cost to the consumer.

So... I would prefer a consumption task, with the ability to prove you make less than some amount. If you can show you make less than that, then you get an exemption card...
 
christiefan915 said:
And how does everything under the aegis of the federal govt. get paid for, I Love AmeriKKKa?
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One of the first steps would be to base the spending on need with a zero sum budget with each government entity showing what they spend it on and why they need it rather than an insane 8% growth rate automatically added so that raising the spending in an area by "only" 4% becomes an evil "cut"....
 
Damocles said:
That would depend. I prefer a consumption tax with a card for those who can show they make less than a specific amount. Corporate taxes hit the poor the hardest but you support those. The people who can least afford it wind up paying more for their stuff because corporations have to pay and pass on that cost to the consumer.

So... I would prefer a consumption task, with the ability to prove you make less than some amount. If you can show you make less than that, then you get an exemption card...
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The exemption card wouldn't be practical and subject to fraud. The simple solution is exempt food and clothing. Poor are saved
 
I Love America said:
The exemption card wouldn't be practical and subject to fraud. The simple solution is exempt food and clothing. Poor are saved
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The same claim as LT... Some people might cheat so we cannot do it... That's silly. We can make it extremely difficult to hack, but in every tax code some people will cheat. And they also shouldn't have to pay on a car, or their apartment, etc. If you make below whatever amount we set, and can prove it, it should be tax free for those folks. Give them a leg up.
 
Legion Troll said:
I claimed that?

Link up.

I'll understand if you can't.
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Just a mo'... I'll go find your first claim that there would be rampant cheating because Carson's analogy said that if you made nothing then you paid nothing. Oh, wait. I'll let people read the thread. It's in there...
 
Legion Troll said:
Why would I be embarrassed by Parson Carsons stupidity?
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it's your stupidity. You state an absurdity that isn't there, then pretend you've made some salient point while others point out how stupid you sound. You'll delete it like you do with so many posts.... I'm keeping that one. You perpetuate an argument that has already been shown to be one of the stupidest claims you have ever made.
 
Damocles said:
You perpetuate an argument that has already been shown to be one of the stupidest claims you have ever made.
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I do?

"Carson, a Seventh Day Adventist, said the flat tax is rooted directly in the Biblical principles of proportionality, fairness, and equity. He said in full: We need a significantly changed taxation system. And the one that I've advocated is based on tithing, because I think God is a pretty fair Guy. And He said, you know, if you give me a tithe, it doesn't matter how much you make. If you've had a bumper crop, you don't owe Me triple tithes. And if you've had no crops at all, you don't owe Me no tithes. So, there must be something inherently fair about that."
 
Damocles said:
The same claim as LT... Some people might cheat so we cannot do it... That's silly. We can make it extremely difficult to hack, but in every tax code some people will cheat. And they also shouldn't have to pay on a car, or their apartment, etc. If you make below whatever amount we set, and can prove it, it should be tax free for those folks. Give them a leg up.
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I think it would be simpler to exempt certain items period. I agree with consumption tax though.

Although th real issue is spending
 
Legion Troll said:
Like a luxury tax? Didn't conservatives claim that the luxury tax was bad?
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A punitive tax on a specific group of people is fundamentally against what we as conservatives would believe in, in what most Americans would believe in, IMO. It also may not fall within the constitution which states that the taxes must be proportional to all the states.
 
I Love America said:
I think it would be simpler to exempt certain items period. I agree with consumption tax though.

Although th real issue is spending
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Simpler doesn't necessarily mean right. I think maybe a repayment, you file tax documents only if you fit the bill and can prove the earning level necessary to get repayment of certain taxes... :dunno:

I think we could find a way to do it. At least we would have a good starting point were we Senators.

I also only would support this if we had an Amendment that removed the ability for income tax or we'd just wind up with two tax systems and in a worse state than we are already in.
 
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