Wahhh, Starbucks's cups are not Christmasie enough...

Damocles said:
People's faith often influence their decisions. Obama has said his faith influenced him...

It does not mean, as Jarod claimed, that he is trying to make this into a "Christian Nation".
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Then these candidates should work harder at keeping religion as individual faith, not a template for running the country.

In pursuit of conservative evangelical voters, GOP candidates embrace far-right political operative who is raising an ‘army’ to fulfill his ‘Christian nation’ vision

On Saturday, June 13, South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley will host a day-long, Christians-only prayer rally organized by political operative David Lane. Lane, who organized similar events for Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, is trying to recruit 1,000 conservative evangelical pastors to run for office, which he believes would mobilize hundreds of thousands of election volunteers and lead to conservative election victories in 2016.

Lane prefers to work outside the glare of the national media. Although his close connections to Republican officials and presidential candidates have drawn some notice, the extremism of the agenda he is promoting deserves far more attention than it has received to date...

David Lane runs the American Renewal Project, which functions as a project of the American Family Association. Bad publicity over the Israel trip did not keep Lane from inviting all 168 members of the Republican National Committee to an Iowa Renewal Project “Pastors and Pews” event on March 9 and 10, which was headlined by two Republican presidential hopefuls, Sen. Ted Cruz and Gov. Bobby Jindal, along with Iowa Lt. Gov. Kim Reynolds. It didn’t prevent the RNC’s faith outreach arm from teaming up with Lane to present a breakout session at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference in May. And it hasn’t kept Gov. Haley from endorsing Lane’s latest “Response” prayer rally.

- See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...ion-extremist-david-lane#sthash.f9gji9Ay.dpuf
 
Legion Troll said:
Because I think Carson's nutbag faith-based economic theory on taxation is absurd, I can't participate in the discussion because of something Jarod said?
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Let's see... You jump in the middle of a conversation about whether specifically named candidates want this to be a "Christian Nation" and climb into bed with the "He said tithe so that means he wants us all to be forced to worship Jebus" crowd then get upset when somebody asks you to show your cards?

If you don't want to be asked that, then don't participate in that part of the conversation.
 
Legion Troll said:
Don't lots of individuals and businesses already claim a loss to avoid taxation?
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And if deductions no longer applied would they be able to do that?

Imagine if declaring no income meant paying no taxes at all, which is what Carson suggested.
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Imagine if the IRS still would put you in jail for paying less than you should. Which is what would happen. This pretense that you have that because he said "tithe" it means that suddenly nobody would be checking on earnings is plain stupid.

I don't agree with his tax plan, but I don't disagree with it for stupidity like this. He said "God" so I must shut down my gray matter and start speaking stupidity? No thank you.
 
Legion Troll said:
I'm upset?

The thread is about a nutbag Christian claiming that Starbucks is waging war on Christmas, isn't it?
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There is a conversation going on, if we had to stick to the OP even the OP would have been banned. The conversation is currently about Jarod's claim that specifically named people want this to be a "Christian Nation"... Christiefan's example was to "prove" that, and that is where you hung your hat.
 
Damocles said:
Let's see... You jump in the middle of a conversation about whether specifically named candidates want this to be a "Christian Nation" and climb into bed with the "He said tithe so that means he wants us all to be forced to worship Jebus" crowd then get upset when somebody asks you to show your cards?

If you don't want to be asked that, then don't participate in that part of the conversation.
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Wanting a Christian nation doesn't mean forcing everyone to worship Jesus, more like making conservative religious beliefs into law, i.e. no abortion, no gay marriage, allowing Bible reading in schools, ignoring separation of church and state among other things.
 
christiefan915 said:
Wanting a Christian nation doesn't mean forcing everyone to worship Jesus, more like making conservative religious beliefs into law, i.e. no abortion, no gay marriage, allowing Bible reading in schools, ignoring separation of church and state among other things.
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That is not true. A Christian nation means that we have a state religion, like in England before the revolution and one of the reasons people came here...

Specifically stating that a constitutional conservative wants a "Christian Nation" because he thinks abortion is murder is an absurdity.
 
Legion Troll said:
He said in full: We need a significantly changed taxation system. And the one that I've advocated is based on tithing, because I think God is a pretty fair Guy. And He said, you know, if you give me a tithe, it doesn't matter how much you make. If you've had a bumper crop, you don't owe Me triple tithes. And if you've had no crops at all, you don't owe Me no tithes. So, there must be something inherently fair about that."



So your assertion is that nobody is cheating on their taxes now, and making it the law of the land that "no income means zero taxes" wouldn't exacerbate tax fraud?
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Wow, directly into an absurd logical fallacy.

Nobody claimed nobody is cheating or would cheat, however you are claiming currently that suddenly everybody would cheat and that nobody would suffer consequences because... Carson!

If, as you assert here, somebody could cheat so we should not do it then we need to get rid of taxation entirely.
 
Legion Troll said:
You said I was in bed with her a minute ago, didn't you? Now I'm "hanging my hat"?m :rofl2:

I'm not completely sure that Parson Carson is even considered a Christian by other religious nutbags.

I want no part of his delusional theories.
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Fair enough. But the conversation I'm having with Christiefan is how this makes the US a "Christian Nation" or not. And with you, whether we should assume stupid stuff (like the sudden disappearance of the IRS) because "Parson Carson" said "God"....
 
Damocles said:
Fair enough. But the conversation I'm having with Christiefan is how this makes the US a "Christian Nation" or not. And with you, whether we should assume stupid stuff (like the sudden disappearance of the IRS) because "Parson Carson" said "God"....
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The conversation I'm having with you is that Parson Carson is a nutbag with laughable faith-based "solutions".

Did you know that he says America is a Christian nation?
 
Damocles said:
Wow, directly into an absurd logical fallacy.

Nobody claimed nobody is cheating or would cheat, however you are claiming currently that suddenly everybody would cheat and that nobody would suffer consequences because... Carson!

If, as you assert here, somebody could cheat so we should not do it then we need to get rid of taxation entirely.
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Legion Troll said:
I am?

Link up.

I'll understand if you can't.
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Legion Troll said:
So your assertion is that nobody is cheating on their taxes now, and making it the law of the land that "no income means zero taxes" wouldn't exacerbate tax fraud?
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Small exaggeration. Suddenly more people would cheat (not everybody).. is your assertion because... Wait for it... CARSON!

You sound crazier than he does.
Legion Troll said:
I am?

Link up.

I'll understand if you can't.
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Damocles said:
Fair enough. But the conversation I'm having with Christiefan is how this makes the US a "Christian Nation" or not. And with you, whether we should assume stupid stuff (like the sudden disappearance of the IRS) because "Parson Carson" said "God"....
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The one who diverted the topic to "Christian nation" is you. Jarod brought up those who want American laws to be based on conservative Christian theology, you asked for a link, I gave Carson and his tithing example. I fail to see how that one example translates to me talking about a "Christian nation" as you assert.

Jarod: I disagree, those I named want to base American law on conservative Christian ideology.

Damo: Link us up.

christie: Carson wants the tax code changed to be like tithing.
 
Legion Troll said:
Carson says America is a Christian nation.
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And he ain't the only one.

"Republican Party candidates like to say that America is a Christian nation. It turns out most Republicans are willing to make that official.

Fifty-seven percent of Republicans support establishing Christianity as the national religion of the United States, according to a new Public Policy Polling survey. Thirty percent oppose the idea while 13 percent are not sure."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/25/republicans-christian-america_n_6754032.html
 
Legion Troll said:
Carson says it on the Christian Broadcasting Network: http://www1.cbn.com/biblestudy/dr.-ben-carson:-what-made-america-great?
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Carson: Well, our founders were Christians. There were some Jews involved, as well; so we are a Judeo-Christian nation...

...There is no question about who we are. All you have to do is look at our money. Every coin, every bill says, “In God We Trust.” Our Pledge of Allegiance says, “We are one nation under God.” The fourth stanza of the National Anthem talks about God. We really shouldn’t be trying to deny who we are, because traditionally before the decline of a great nation, they forget who they are. We’re in the process of throwing it away...
 
Damocles said:
Fair enough. But the conversation I'm having with Christiefan is how this makes the US a "Christian Nation" or not. And with you, whether we should assume stupid stuff (like the sudden disappearance of the IRS) because "Parson Carson" said "God"....
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He incorrectly stated that America is a Christian nation because founding documents, our money and the pledge prove that it was founded upon Christianity.
 
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