Voters Swallowed The Medicaid Snake Oil

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Voters in Idaho, Nebraska, and Utah just approved ballot referendums to expand Medicaid. The three solidly red states will soon add 300,000 beneficiaries to the joint state-federal insurance program for low-income Americans.

These voters doubtless had good intentions. They wanted to help vulnerable residents in their states gain access to health care. But expanding Medicaid, a chronically mismanaged entitlement program plagued by fraud and abuse, won't accomplish that goal. Instead, it will create new burdens for taxpayers without doing much to improve beneficiaries' health.

ObamaCare directed states to expand Medicaid — a program originally intended for low-income elderly, blind and disabled Americans, as well as children and pregnant women — to able-bodied adults earning up to 138% of the poverty line starting in 2014. But in 2012, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that individual states could decide whether to expand Medicaid in line with ObamaCare's dictates.

The federal government tried to coax them into doing so by initially funding 100% of the cost of expansion. Starting in 2017, the federal government ratcheted down its contributions. By 2020, the feds will only cover 90% of the cost. State taxpayers will have to pick up the rest of the tab.

Despite this looming burden, 36 states and the District of Columbia have opted to expand the program.
Waste, Fraud And Taxes

Montana's expansion of the program may end next year; voters this year turned down a ballot initiative that would've imposed a new tobacco tax to pay for it. If the state legislature doesn't come up with an alternative funding mechanism, then the expansion will end in June 2019.

Waste and fraud run rampant in Medicaid. In 2017, improper payments totaled $37 billion, according to a Senate report released this past summer. That's an increase of more than 150% in just four years.

A February report revealed that California spent $629 million in federal money on 366,000 people ineligible to enroll in Medi-Cal, the state's Medicaid program, in just six months — from October 2014 to March 2015. It also spent $400 million on 79,000 people who are potentially ineligible. Over the same period, New York used $26 million in federal funds for more than 47,000 ineligible people.

The federal government seems unwilling to address such abuse. In the past three years, the Government Accountability Office has made 11 anti-fraud recommendations to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. CMS hasn't acted on any of them.
Where Are The Benefits?

Even worse, these millions of dollars in inappropriate spending are doing little to nothing to improve beneficiaries' health. Medicaid enrollees fare no better than the uninsured on measurable health outcomes.

Consider Oregon's experience. In 2008, the state partially expanded Medicaid. It chose the new enrollees by lottery. A 2013 study of the effort analyzed this group's health compared to uninsured people who weren't selected. They concluded that Medicaid enrollment increased enrollees' utilization of health services without improving outcomes.

The program is ineffective largely because it underpays doctors. Private insurance pays physicians, on average, 69% more than Medicaid for children's doctor appointments, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. For orthopedic appointments, private insurance pays an average of more than 2.5 times as much as Medicaid.

Because of these low reimbursement rates, only about half of general practitioners accept new Medicaid patients. In Atlanta, for example, only 35% take on new Medicaid patients, according to an analysis of 15 major metropolitan areas conducted by Merritt Hawkins.

Without true access to primary care doctors, enrollees flock to emergency rooms for minor health problems. In California, the number of emergency room visits by Medi-Cal enrollees rose 44% between 2014, the first year of Medi-Cal expansion, and 2016.
https://www.investors.com/politics/columnists/60s-culture-war-victor-davis-hanson/
 
By 2020, the feds will only cover 90% of the cost. State taxpayers will have to pick up the rest of the tab.

Holy fuck your seriously whining about having to pay 10%! Jesus Christ are rightists delusional!

Look, Healthcare is a basic need and a basic right. Poor people should not have to be raked over the coals proving they work enough or whatever to the governments satisfaction to get healthcare. This is their own business , it is not worth the gigantic beurocracy that spends half the cash policing and stigmatizing them.

Also the money that these people save on medical care is more money that they get to spend on the local economy. It is economic insanity to refuse a 90% federally funded program out of spite because you think poor people need to die more often, it's a drag on the economy and transfers the money out of state.

Republicans are pure evil, I am convinced of this.
 
Because of these low reimbursement rates, only about half of general practitioners accept new Medicaid patients. In Atlanta, for example, only 35% take on new Medicaid patients, according to an analysis of 15 major metropolitan areas conducted by Merritt Hawkins.

And who is responsible for that ? Rightists who intentionally massively underfund the program out of spite because of its stigmatized attachment to those in poverty. The distinction between Medicaid and Medicare should be abolished, Republicans shouldn't be allowed to murder poor people without also missing murdering the elderly who agree so beloved because they vote republican.
 
Fine! States that are indoctrinating people into the medicaid pool is one thing.

Getting Doctors and Hospitals to accept Medicaid, Medicare, and National Healthcare patients is yet another.

It seems there is always going to be some kind of wiggle room for those that politically disagree with the concept of Healthcare for all.
 
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I don't dispute that medicaid is as good as worthless for routine care for working aged people, but I suspect that the lack of increased health outcomes between the recipients and the uninsured is largely comparable because of poor habits/lifestyle choices by the same shallow end cesspool from which they come.
 
Holy fuck your seriously whining about having to pay 10%! Jesus Christ are rightists delusional!

Look, Healthcare is a basic need and a basic right. Poor people should not have to be raked over the coals proving they work enough or whatever to the governments satisfaction to get healthcare. This is their own business , it is not worth the gigantic beurocracy that spends half the cash policing and stigmatizing them.

Also the money that these people save on medical care is more money that they get to spend on the local economy. It is economic insanity to refuse a 90% federally funded program out of spite because you think poor people need to die more often, it's a drag on the economy and transfers the money out of state.

Republicans are pure evil, I am convinced of this.
your idealism isn't practical.. we don't want more taxes.

we got lotto receipts for schools,and tobacco taxes for health, and then the usual property and sales and state, and federal..plus user fees.

10% for Medicade expansion down here is a lot .. not to mention the fortune it costs the feds.

Kill some worthless social programs at the fed level before you start talking about expanding yet more liabilities
 
Medicare for all is supposed to cost 32 TRILLION over ten years! and why should we do it if private employers are already paying for a lot of HC insurance?
 
Holy fuck your seriously whining about having to pay 10%! Jesus Christ are rightists delusional!

Look, Healthcare is a basic need and a basic right. Poor people should not have to be raked over the coals proving they work enough or whatever to the governments satisfaction to get healthcare. This is their own business , it is not worth the gigantic beurocracy that spends half the cash policing and stigmatizing them.

Also the money that these people save on medical care is more money that they get to spend on the local economy. It is economic insanity to refuse a 90% federally funded program out of spite because you think poor people need to die more often, it's a drag on the economy and transfers the money out of state.

Republicans are pure evil, I am convinced of this.

Healthcare a right?

Link
 
This, "Medicaid, a chronically mismanaged entitlement program plagued by fraud and abuse," is a lie. It will not "create new burdens for taxpayers" and it will do "much to improve beneficiaries' health."
 
your idealism isn't practical.. we don't want more taxes.

we got lotto receipts for schools,and tobacco taxes for health, and then the usual property and sales and state, and federal..plus user fees.

10% for Medicade expansion down here is a lot .. not to mention the fortune it costs the feds.

Kill some worthless social programs at the fed level before you start talking about expanding yet more liabilities

If Medicaid is so bad for the economy, why do the ultra conservative Chambers of Commerce in every state endorse its expansion?

And btw, that business about the lottery funding schools is BS.

Whatever the lottery provides for the schools, the state deducts the same amount, dollar for dollar to fund other crap, like tax cuts for millionaires.
 
I don't dispute that medicaid is as good as worthless for routine care for working aged people, but I suspect that the lack of increased health outcomes between the recipients and the uninsured is largely comparable because of poor habits/lifestyle choices by the same shallow end cesspool from which they come.

It's good that your gene pool is deep and full of quality DNA. No one wants to see a neighbor or relative faced with serious health issues and no way to pay for treatment.
What is your plan for paying for nursing facility care for seniors with dementia and/or other health issues who can no longer live at home or with relatives? Quote: "[Medicaid] is the principal source of long-term care coverage for Americans." This is from this source: https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-...ow-about-medicaid-setting-the-facts-straight/.
 
that makes no sense.. and most corps don't get welfare if you count in small business

It was sarcasm. But if the government takes over healthcare costs corporations will save billions from what they currently pay for their employees health insurance. It was sarcasm because the same people who want government healthcare are the same ones who complain about corporate welfare.
 
It was sarcasm. But if the government takes over healthcare costs corporations will save billions from what they currently pay for their employees health insurance. It was sarcasm because the same people who want government healthcare are the same ones who complain about corporate welfare.
somebody's going to pay the bill -if it's not the corp, then it's the government
 
Voters in Idaho, Nebraska, and Utah just approved ballot referendums to expand Medicaid. The three solidly red states will soon add 300,000 beneficiaries to the joint state-federal insurance program for low-income Americans.

These voters doubtless had good intentions. They wanted to help vulnerable residents in their states gain access to health care. But expanding Medicaid, a chronically mismanaged entitlement program plagued by fraud and abuse, won't accomplish that goal. Instead, it will create new burdens for taxpayers without doing much to improve beneficiaries' health.

ObamaCare directed states to expand Medicaid — a program originally intended for low-income elderly, blind and disabled Americans, as well as children and pregnant women — to able-bodied adults earning up to 138% of the poverty line starting in 2014. But in 2012, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that individual states could decide whether to expand Medicaid in line with ObamaCare's dictates.

The federal government tried to coax them into doing so by initially funding 100% of the cost of expansion. Starting in 2017, the federal government ratcheted down its contributions. By 2020, the feds will only cover 90% of the cost. State taxpayers will have to pick up the rest of the tab.

Despite this looming burden, 36 states and the District of Columbia have opted to expand the program.
Waste, Fraud And Taxes

Montana's expansion of the program may end next year; voters this year turned down a ballot initiative that would've imposed a new tobacco tax to pay for it. If the state legislature doesn't come up with an alternative funding mechanism, then the expansion will end in June 2019.

Waste and fraud run rampant in Medicaid. In 2017, improper payments totaled $37 billion, according to a Senate report released this past summer. That's an increase of more than 150% in just four years.

A February report revealed that California spent $629 million in federal money on 366,000 people ineligible to enroll in Medi-Cal, the state's Medicaid program, in just six months — from October 2014 to March 2015. It also spent $400 million on 79,000 people who are potentially ineligible. Over the same period, New York used $26 million in federal funds for more than 47,000 ineligible people.

The federal government seems unwilling to address such abuse. In the past three years, the Government Accountability Office has made 11 anti-fraud recommendations to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. CMS hasn't acted on any of them.
Where Are The Benefits?

Even worse, these millions of dollars in inappropriate spending are doing little to nothing to improve beneficiaries' health. Medicaid enrollees fare no better than the uninsured on measurable health outcomes.

Consider Oregon's experience. In 2008, the state partially expanded Medicaid. It chose the new enrollees by lottery. A 2013 study of the effort analyzed this group's health compared to uninsured people who weren't selected. They concluded that Medicaid enrollment increased enrollees' utilization of health services without improving outcomes.

The program is ineffective largely because it underpays doctors. Private insurance pays physicians, on average, 69% more than Medicaid for children's doctor appointments, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. For orthopedic appointments, private insurance pays an average of more than 2.5 times as much as Medicaid.

Because of these low reimbursement rates, only about half of general practitioners accept new Medicaid patients. In Atlanta, for example, only 35% take on new Medicaid patients, according to an analysis of 15 major metropolitan areas conducted by Merritt Hawkins.

Without true access to primary care doctors, enrollees flock to emergency rooms for minor health problems. In California, the number of emergency room visits by Medi-Cal enrollees rose 44% between 2014, the first year of Medi-Cal expansion, and 2016.
https://www.investors.com/politics/columnists/60s-culture-war-victor-davis-hanson/

Let me guess,you have healthcare!
 
Medicare for all is supposed to cost 32 TRILLION over ten years! and why should we do it if private employers are already paying for a lot of HC insurance?

Let business pay into Medicare at a cheaper rate then they spend now,buying from greedy insurance companies
 
Voters in Idaho, Nebraska, and Utah just approved ballot referendums to expand Medicaid. The three solidly red states will soon add 300,000 beneficiaries to the joint state-federal insurance program for low-income Americans.

These voters doubtless had good intentions. They wanted to help vulnerable residents in their states gain access to health care. But expanding Medicaid, a chronically mismanaged entitlement program plagued by fraud and abuse, won't accomplish that goal. Instead, it will create new burdens for taxpayers without doing much to improve beneficiaries' health.

ObamaCare directed states to expand Medicaid — a program originally intended for low-income elderly, blind and disabled Americans, as well as children and pregnant women — to able-bodied adults earning up to 138% of the poverty line starting in 2014. But in 2012, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that individual states could decide whether to expand Medicaid in line with ObamaCare's dictates.

The federal government tried to coax them into doing so by initially funding 100% of the cost of expansion. Starting in 2017, the federal government ratcheted down its contributions. By 2020, the feds will only cover 90% of the cost. State taxpayers will have to pick up the rest of the tab.

Despite this looming burden, 36 states and the District of Columbia have opted to expand the program.
Waste, Fraud And Taxes

Montana's expansion of the program may end next year; voters this year turned down a ballot initiative that would've imposed a new tobacco tax to pay for it. If the state legislature doesn't come up with an alternative funding mechanism, then the expansion will end in June 2019.

Waste and fraud run rampant in Medicaid. In 2017, improper payments totaled $37 billion, according to a Senate report released this past summer. That's an increase of more than 150% in just four years.

A February report revealed that California spent $629 million in federal money on 366,000 people ineligible to enroll in Medi-Cal, the state's Medicaid program, in just six months — from October 2014 to March 2015. It also spent $400 million on 79,000 people who are potentially ineligible. Over the same period, New York used $26 million in federal funds for more than 47,000 ineligible people.

The federal government seems unwilling to address such abuse. In the past three years, the Government Accountability Office has made 11 anti-fraud recommendations to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. CMS hasn't acted on any of them.
Where Are The Benefits?

Even worse, these millions of dollars in inappropriate spending are doing little to nothing to improve beneficiaries' health. Medicaid enrollees fare no better than the uninsured on measurable health outcomes.

Consider Oregon's experience. In 2008, the state partially expanded Medicaid. It chose the new enrollees by lottery. A 2013 study of the effort analyzed this group's health compared to uninsured people who weren't selected. They concluded that Medicaid enrollment increased enrollees' utilization of health services without improving outcomes.

The program is ineffective largely because it underpays doctors. Private insurance pays physicians, on average, 69% more than Medicaid for children's doctor appointments, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. For orthopedic appointments, private insurance pays an average of more than 2.5 times as much as Medicaid.

Because of these low reimbursement rates, only about half of general practitioners accept new Medicaid patients. In Atlanta, for example, only 35% take on new Medicaid patients, according to an analysis of 15 major metropolitan areas conducted by Merritt Hawkins.

Without true access to primary care doctors, enrollees flock to emergency rooms for minor health problems. In California, the number of emergency room visits by Medi-Cal enrollees rose 44% between 2014, the first year of Medi-Cal expansion, and 2016.
https://www.investors.com/politics/columnists/60s-culture-war-victor-davis-hanson/

I'd love to see you fucktards, being unable to stretch for insurance, and have to decide between heat, and medicine. How'd you like a ramen noodle, and kraft mac, and cheese diet? Cold showers anyone? You sure wouldn't have internet to whine about the measly pittance you pay in taxes.
 
I'd love to see you fucktards, being unable to stretch for insurance, and have to decide between heat, and medicine. How'd you like a ramen noodle, and kraft mac, and cheese diet? Cold showers anyone? You sure wouldn't have internet to whine about the measly pittance you pay in taxes.

You choose to assume the government handles our tax dollars well. Not all people believe that.
 
Voters in Idaho, Nebraska, and Utah just approved ballot referendums to expand Medicaid. The three solidly red states will soon add 300,000 beneficiaries to the joint state-federal insurance program for low-income Americans.

These voters doubtless had good intentions. They wanted to help vulnerable residents in their states gain access to health care. But expanding Medicaid, a chronically mismanaged entitlement program plagued by fraud and abuse, won't accomplish that goal. Instead, it will create new burdens for taxpayers without doing much to improve beneficiaries' health.

ObamaCare directed states to expand Medicaid — a program originally intended for low-income elderly, blind and disabled Americans, as well as children and pregnant women — to able-bodied adults earning up to 138% of the poverty line starting in 2014. But in 2012, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that individual states could decide whether to expand Medicaid in line with ObamaCare's dictates.

The federal government tried to coax them into doing so by initially funding 100% of the cost of expansion. Starting in 2017, the federal government ratcheted down its contributions. By 2020, the feds will only cover 90% of the cost. State taxpayers will have to pick up the rest of the tab.

Despite this looming burden, 36 states and the District of Columbia have opted to expand the program.
Waste, Fraud And Taxes

Montana's expansion of the program may end next year; voters this year turned down a ballot initiative that would've imposed a new tobacco tax to pay for it. If the state legislature doesn't come up with an alternative funding mechanism, then the expansion will end in June 2019.

Waste and fraud run rampant in Medicaid. In 2017, improper payments totaled $37 billion, according to a Senate report released this past summer. That's an increase of more than 150% in just four years.

A February report revealed that California spent $629 million in federal money on 366,000 people ineligible to enroll in Medi-Cal, the state's Medicaid program, in just six months — from October 2014 to March 2015. It also spent $400 million on 79,000 people who are potentially ineligible. Over the same period, New York used $26 million in federal funds for more than 47,000 ineligible people.

The federal government seems unwilling to address such abuse. In the past three years, the Government Accountability Office has made 11 anti-fraud recommendations to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. CMS hasn't acted on any of them.
Where Are The Benefits?

Even worse, these millions of dollars in inappropriate spending are doing little to nothing to improve beneficiaries' health. Medicaid enrollees fare no better than the uninsured on measurable health outcomes.

Consider Oregon's experience. In 2008, the state partially expanded Medicaid. It chose the new enrollees by lottery. A 2013 study of the effort analyzed this group's health compared to uninsured people who weren't selected. They concluded that Medicaid enrollment increased enrollees' utilization of health services without improving outcomes.

The program is ineffective largely because it underpays doctors. Private insurance pays physicians, on average, 69% more than Medicaid for children's doctor appointments, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. For orthopedic appointments, private insurance pays an average of more than 2.5 times as much as Medicaid.

Because of these low reimbursement rates, only about half of general practitioners accept new Medicaid patients. In Atlanta, for example, only 35% take on new Medicaid patients, according to an analysis of 15 major metropolitan areas conducted by Merritt Hawkins.

Without true access to primary care doctors, enrollees flock to emergency rooms for minor health problems. In California, the number of emergency room visits by Medi-Cal enrollees rose 44% between 2014, the first year of Medi-Cal expansion, and 2016.
https://www.investors.com/politics/columnists/60s-culture-war-victor-davis-hanson/

We have no difficulty at all paying for 7 generational hot shooting wars in the Middle East and military occupation of the entire planet.

Face it, america is heading to a dark place. A society with this much wealth inequity and trending in the direction we are sure to now, either morphs into a police state or an uprising.
 
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