Venezuela a failure of CAPITALISM.

[kudzu]

Pretty much, yes.

VZ has refined Iranian oil for a couple of decades so THAT put them in the crosshairs.

Currently VZ's production is falling below 1 million bpd..

Yergin said Venezuela's oil operations had been deteriorating so much under Maduro that they had already become much less important to world supply, even though Venezuela has the world's largest oil reserves. "The Maduro regime has been committing oil suicide," said Yergin.

Venezuela, Iran may be crushed by sanctions, but oil market has not been


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/11/ven...shed-by-sanctions-but-oil-market-has-not.html

I like Yergin a lot.. Take what he says to the bank...

Just not too happy that Trump is punishing VZ.

 

[Getin the ring]

Placing sanctions on VZ was just kicking them when they are down.

who cares?

 

[Nordberg]

Truth is oil companies have bought up millions of leases, from the Gulf of Mexico, all over the west and Alaska. They do not open many of them. It increases their net worth and financial power. But they are not going to glut the market and cut profits. They just want more control over the market and taking leases off the market stops competitors from using them.
https://www.americanprogress.org/is...anies-gain-stockpiling-americas-federal-land/

 

[kudzu]

Socialism failed its citizens in Venezuela. Their citizens are starving and leaving their country in search of food and economic opportunity.

“Just 25 percent of registered voters hold a positive view of Socialism, including 50 percent of self-described liberals, while nearly 60 percent hold a negative view. On capitalism, the numbers are nearly exactly reversed: 57 percent favorable, and 28 percent unfavorable. As for the overall role of government, this should be welcomed as a healthy sign by conservatives:”


Fizz poll

Oil markets are strictly about capitalism, how much it costs to get oil out of the ground and market demand.

 

[kudzu]

But at its core, it's a failure of capitalist global oil markets since everything is tied to the price per barrel.

They are doing an end run around Trump...…...

Reliance sends fuel from India, Europe to Venezuela to sidestep U.S. sanctions
Nidhi Verma, Marianna Parraga
4 Min Read


NEW DELHI/MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - India’s Reliance Industries is selling fuels to Venezuela from India and Europe to sidestep sanctions that bar U.S.-based companies from dealing with state-run PDVSA, according to trading sources and Refinitiv Eikon data.

Reliance had been supplying alkylate, diluent naphtha and other fuel to Venezuela through its U.S.-based subsidiary before Washington in late January imposed sanctions aimed at curbing the OPEC member’s oil exports and ousting Socialist President Nicolas Maduro.

At least three vessels chartered by the Indian conglomerate supplied refined products to Venezuela in recent weeks, and another vessel carrying gasoil is expected to set sail to the South American nation as well, according to the sources and data.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...SKCN1R12VI?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews

 

[kudzu]

Citgo Execs in Jail in VZ

(Reuters) - U.S. Republican Senators Ted Cruz and John Cornyn on Thursday pressed Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro to release six executives from Houston-based oil company Citgo Petroleum that have been in jail in the country since 2017.

The former top employees of Venezuelan PDVSA’s refining subsidiary, most of whom are U.S. citizens, were arrested in late 2017 and accused of embezzlement and money laundering linked to talks to refinance Citgo’s debt.

Family members of Jose Luis Zambrano, Alirio Zambrano, Jorge Toledo, Tomeu Vadell, Gustavo Cardenas and Jose Pereira have asked the U.S. government to intervene, citing health concerns for the men.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-citgo-prison-idUSKCN1R229W

 

[rjhenn]

“Just 25 percent of registered voters hold a positive view of Socialism, including 50 percent of self-described liberals, while nearly 60 percent hold a negative view. On capitalism, the numbers are nearly exactly reversed: 57 percent favorable, and 28 percent unfavorable. As for the overall role of government, this should be welcomed as a healthy sign by conservatives:”

Fox poll.

Of course, that simply demonstrates the strong dependence on wishful thinking that the right depends on. Our own history, as in the 19th century, as well as world history, demonstrates that unrestrained capitalism produces massive poverty and despair, it's only when tempered with bits of socialism that we see widespread benefit. The right seeks to turn the U.S. into a banana republic, with a few very rich people running things and the rest living in poverty.

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[rjhenn]

You're saying the same shit as Maduro, the socialist dictator driving Venezuela into the ground. Duped and conned by a dictator.

Yes, you were, and are, duped and conned by a wannabe dictator.

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[kudzu]

Of course, that simply demonstrates the strong dependence on wishful thinking that the right depends on.

Our own history, as in the 19th century, as well as world history, demonstrates that unrestrained capitalism produces massive poverty and despair, it's only when tempered with bits of socialism that we see widespread benefit.

The right seeks to turn the U.S. into a banana republic, with a few very rich people running things and the rest living in poverty.

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You'd think they would get that by now.

 

[Heff]

Yes, you were, and are, duped and conned by a wannabe dictator.

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Unlike you I don't need a politician to tell me what is true or false.

 

[kudzu]

Yes, you were, and are, duped and conned by a wannabe dictator.

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No American should take pleasure in crushing a neighbor.

 

[kudzu]

Unlike you I don't need a politician to tell me what is true or false.

LOLOLOL

 

[Callinectes]

Truth is oil companies have bought up millions of leases, from the Gulf of Mexico, all over the west and Alaska. They do not open many of them. It increases their net worth and financial power. But they are not going to glut the market and cut profits. They just want more control over the market and taking leases off the market stops competitors from using them.
https://www.americanprogress.org/is...anies-gain-stockpiling-americas-federal-land/

Yep, good point

 

[kudzu]

Yep, good point

How long were you in Arabia?

 

[LV426]

You're saying the same shit as Maduro

Maduro is saying you're so dumb you were conned by a reality TV show host?

It's not Maduro's fault that the price per barrel of oil dropped. And it's also not Maduro's fault that the American executives who ran citgo's operation in VZ were embezzling money.

You might be cool with business executives embezzling cash because it has the net result of creating misery for brown people, but I'm not.

the socialist dictator driving Venezuela into the ground. Duped and conned by a dictator.

What's more likely?

That I'm being duped by Maduro, who has no presence in American media?

OR

You're being duped by Trump, who does?

 

[Callinectes]

Its a good thing he didn't.. We have a glut on the market now,

That's the thing, if the price takes a dive, they ease off on drilling. OPEC is doing that right now, which is interesting because Venezuela is(or was)a member of OPEC, and Chavez could have gone to them for advice as to how to avoid or alleviate their current clusterfuck

 

[Callinectes]

How long were you in Arabia?

Not long, maybe 4-6 months over a span of 6 years

 

[LV426]

That's the thing, if the price takes a dive, they ease off on drilling. OPEC is doing that right now, which is interesting because Venezuela is(or was)a member of OPEC, and Chavez could have gone to them for advice as to how to avoid or alleviate their current clusterfuck

It's funny how Conservatives think asking advice is the same thing as doing something about a bad situation.

What advice to ask?

It's pretty clear that VZ cannot do much of anything because it faces sanctions that cripple its ability to diversify its economy. Sanctions you support even though at the same time, you're saying they should do things differently like "ask advice".

 

[kudzu]

Maduro is saying you're so dumb you were conned by a reality TV show host?

It's not Maduro's fault that the price per barrel of oil dropped. And it's also not Maduro's fault that the American executives who ran citgo's operation in VZ were embezzling money.

You might be cool with business executives embezzling cash because it has the net result of creating misery for brown people, but I'm not.





What's more likely?

That I'm being duped by Maduro, who has no presence in American media?

OR

You're being duped by Trump, who does?

The question is what's wrong with Trump that he'd pile on instead of helping?

 

[rjhenn]

This is my point dumb ass! Capitalism has contingencies for this crap! Socialist governments with oil and other resources are like crack addicted lottery winners, they cash in the ticket and throw parties until the money runs out. Ever wonder why there are no violent revolutions in America when we have a recession? You know why we have the “luxury” to give a $500M “handout” to Texas? Because of fiscal discipline idiot, and CONSERVATIVE budgeting. You can’t divvy up the treasury among the proletariat just because they made you the supreme dictator, that’s piracy.(it’s also exactly what your “demoronic socialists” are trying to pull for 2020)

Yeah, fiscal discipline and CONSERVATIVE budgeting that has us $20 trillion in the hole, and increasing at an historically high rate. Trump appears to be trying to force the country into bankruptcy, just like he did for his other businesses. And don't be fooled. He regards the U.S. as just another business to run into the ground.

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