Vance uses false claims to pin shutdown blame on Democrats as White House warns of layoffs

domer76 said:
I said nothing about the motives of either party. I merely mentioned that Dems have no balls.

I have no fucking use for the Dems, but find them preferable to the cult of the Trump. Fascism and totalitarianism written all over his tactics.
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I see you avoiding my fact based summary of how we got to this shutdown


the Democrats could of been honest about what they wanted when they had power. They want this subsidy to be permanent.

they don't have power. playing hostage with the government because they chose to lie about the costs when they did have power is why they don't deserve to hold power.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
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Phantasmal said:
He was responsible for two shutdowns his first term. He’s the King of Shutdowns and Impeachments.
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Truimp said that if there is a shutdown, it is the president's fault. He was quite clear on that, and now has had 2. It is clear he uses them for political ends. They allow him to punish the workers and teach them who is boss.. His aim is to make the plutocrats permanently in charge of America. He enjoys putting workers in their place. This was planned. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...de-which-democrat-agencies-to-cut/ar-AA1NJUIQ
 
zymurgy said:
I see you avoiding my fact based summary of how we got to this shutdown


the Democrats could of been honest about what they wanted when they had power. They want this subsidy to be permanent.

they don't have power. playing hostage with the government because they chose to lie about the costs when they did have power is why they don't deserve to hold power.
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The shutdown seems to be an impasse over ACA, with the Republicans claiming the Dems are in favor of covering all illegal aliens. That’s a lie.

This shutdown bullshit happens every fucking year, regardless of who is in power.
 
Vought, one of Project 2025s creators, is now in charge of determining who works. He, with no votes and is an unelected person, says he will take advantage of this opportunity to slash government jobs. This was all planned.
 
domer76 said:
The shutdown seems to be an impasse over ACA, with the Republicans claiming the Dems are in favor of covering all illegal aliens. That’s a lie.

This shutdown bullshit happens every fucking year, regardless of who is in power.
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it is more true than your obfuscations. So again - lied about the temporary provisions - you will shut down over it - and now pretending the Republicans are wrong about the Haitians eating the pets all over again

we are 37+ trillion in debt - and democrats are shutting down the government over non-citizens that came her under Biden's shitty let 'em all in policies that cost you the senate and POTUS. you idiots will never learn

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  • That section of the Republicans’ big budget bill would have tightened eligibility for Medicaid and ACA subsidies.
  • Specifically, it aimed to exclude people who were granted parole into the U.S. (the 2.8 million mentioned).
  • These parolees are foreign nationals who normally would not be admissible under immigration law, but the administration allowed them in temporarily under humanitarian or public-interest parole authority.
 
zymurgy said:
it is more true than your obfuscations. So again - lied about the temporary provisions - you will shut down over it - and now pretending the Republicans are wrong about the Haitians eating the pets all over again

we are 37+ trillion in debt - and democrats are shutting down the government over non-citizens that came her under Biden's shitty let 'em all in policies that cost you the senate and POTUS. you idiots will never learn

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  • That section of the Republicans’ big budget bill would have tightened eligibility for Medicaid and ACA subsidies.
  • Specifically, it aimed to exclude people who were granted parole into the U.S. (the 2.8 million mentioned).
  • These parolees are foreign nationals who normally would not be admissible under immigration law, but the administration allowed them in temporarily under humanitarian or public-interest parole authority.
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Yep, we are $37 trillion in debt. And you think you can pin that on one party versus the other? How naive! There is more evidence that tax cuts for the “haves” creates greater national debt than the Dems tax policy. So, don’t try that bullshit that today’s Republicans are all-of-a-sudden so fucking concerned about the debt.

And again, you claim illegals will be given free health care under the Dems plan and that’s a lie. Immigrants in the U.S. illegally are not eligible for any federal health care programs, including insurance provided through the Affordable Care Act and Medicaid
 
domer76 said:
Yep, we are $37 trillion in debt. And you think you can pin that on one party versus the other? How naive! There is more evidence that tax cuts for the “haves” creates greater national debt than the Dems tax policy. So, don’t try that bullshit that today’s Republicans are all-of-a-sudden so fucking concerned about the debt.

And again, you claim illegals will be given free health care under the Dems plan and that’s a lie.
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right now one party is trying to stop using Medicaid on the "Haitians eating our pets"

the other is shutting government down over those very same people

so we can stop with the obfuscations over if they are legal or illegal- we don't want to go further in debt for these socialists future voters that you so adore. we had an election over it. we won. now reopen government
 
zymurgy said:
right now one party is trying to stop using Medicaid on the "Haitians eating our pets"

the other is shutting government down over those very same people

so we can stop with the obfuscations over if they are legal or illegal- we don't want to go further in debt for these socialists future voters that you so adore. we had an election over it. we won. now reopen government
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That’s a lie,

apnews.com

FACT FOCUS: Democrats did not shut down the government to give health care to 'illegal immigrants'

This is false. Democrats say they are pushing for the inclusion of key health care provisions in the next congressional spending package.
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archives said:
That’s a lie,

apnews.com

FACT FOCUS: Democrats did not shut down the government to give health care to 'illegal immigrants'

This is false. Democrats say they are pushing for the inclusion of key health care provisions in the next congressional spending package.
apnews.com apnews.com
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what is a lie?

this argument is specifically over the parolees.

Johnsen is being misleading calling them illegals. But it is true that Trump campaigned on cutting off spending and services for this specific grouping of temporary residents


  • The fight isn’t really about U.S. citizens at all. Citizens always qualify for ACA subsidies if they meet income rules.
  • The dispute is about parolees — migrants legally admitted temporarily under the Biden administration’s parole authority.
  • Democrats call them “lawfully present” → therefore, eligible.
  • Republicans call them “illegal aliens” → therefore, ineligible.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
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Those FACTS do not matter to Magats.

If the legislation the Magats are pushing is not popular enough to get every Republican to vote for it, they think Democrats must then give them the needed votes, even if it less popular to them, ... and if not then the shut down is on Dem's.

That is Magat logic of 'we need your votes as all Republicans will not support it but we will not give you a single thing you want in it'.
 
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