Under Trump, border catch-and-release has dropped 99.99% from worst Biden month

Damocles said:
If they choose to devalue border security then it will be less effectively secured. However, that is was so quickly secured without a change in the law puts lie to your suggestion that the "only path" to a secure border is through your selective use of "reform".

We pass laws constantly, it almost never makes things better. Just enforcing the current laws appear to be enough to get things done effectively. Shouting reform at everyone in the face of evidence like this is a bit questionable.
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Good Googly-Moogly I hate to say this but I think anchovies has a point.
Something needs to be codified by this herd of cats in Congress.
 
Damocles said:
Again, people of both parties joined together to kill both of these bills. Pretending that didn't happen is just rewriting history and gaslighting folks.

I gave the reasons the republicans were against the laws above (I included the reasons some democrats were against them as well).

Instead of recognizing that some democrats joined with the republican opposition you just pretend that those folks just didn't exist. I get that you don't want to do some introspection or recognize that combining two laws that already had problems passing will continue to have those same issues once it is done, but it doesn't change what is.

I don't think what I wrote above is pro or against the laws, it was as fair as I could possibly get (even adding stuff like "twitter folks said this" and that would mean we'd need better communication to get past that part of the opposition, even though I think that what the folks on twitter said was largely factually correct).
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That’s not true, using the most recent attempt,the Landford proposal, all the Democrats voted for it in the Senate while the GOP voted in unison to kill if from reaching the needed sixty votes
 
archives said:
That’s not true, using the most recent attempt,the Landford proposal, all the Democrats voted for it in the Senate while the GOP voted in unison to kill if from reaching the needed sixty votes
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*sigh*


The bill did not get all Democrats on board, which Schumer acknowledged earlier this week was a possibility.

“We do not expect every Democrat or every Republican to come out in favor of this bill,” Schumer said on the Senate floor Tuesday. “The only way to pass this bill – or any border bill – is with broad bipartisan support.”

But the bill failed to attract that broad support, losing backing even from Democrats who’d voted for the foreign aid package.

New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker said in a Wednesday statement that while he voted for the larger package in early February – mostly because it included critical aid to Ukraine – he would not do so this time around because the bill was too restrictive.

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‘Another cynical, political game’​

Democratic senators who voted against moving the bill forward included Alex Padilla and Laphonza Butler of California, Ed Markey of Massachusetts and Booker. Independents Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Sinema also voted against.
 
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The largest part of the opposition to that bill was the fact that the Democrats tied Ukraine funding to the bill, once it was removed some of the Democrats who voted for the Ukraine funding voted against the bill because it didn't have the funding.

Stop lying. Focus...
 
archives said:
If you measure it solely in how many get caught trying to cross the border, but what happens when the next Administration decides to reverse Trump’s EO’s to reprioritize funding in different directions or programs? What happens to the refugees, those born in the US, those EO’s tied up in the legal system?

Real reform will only come via Congress
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Word salad from another of the forums leftist brain trusts. :laugh:
 
archives said:
If that is the way you measure success, militarizing the border, but what happens when the next Administration decides to reverse Trump’s EO’s to reprioritize funding toward other programs? What happens if the northern border becomes porous?
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Then voters will reward morons who do such stupid shit with election failure. DUH!

Hey, MORON, our current immigration laws protect us already. What do you think it needs to be better? Be specific and stop dancing around like a brainless clown.

archives said:
As I said, real immigration reform will only come thru Congressional action
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What specific reform do you think is "real" immigration reform? Tell us dancing clown.
 
archives said:
The “it was so quickly secured” proves my point, because it was thru EO’s
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What EO's? Trump merely reversed the moronic open border EO's Biden signed you brainless clown.

Trump is following current laws, unlike the Biden Administration.

So, what specific changes do you think the immigration laws need? Still waiting.

archives said:
it can so easily be reversed with the next President’s EO.
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Which can then easily be reversed by another's EO. You don't have a point here except the one on your shoulders halfwit.

archives said:
And we haven’t had immigration reform since Reagan, both Congressional attempts were killed for political reasons. The laws we have now are part of the problem
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What reform is needed to secure our borders, which are already secure? Be specific?
 
archives said:
Specifically, what laws did the last Administration ignore? In fact the existing nebulous laws are part of the problem
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They completely ignored 8 USC 1182: Inadmissible aliens.

What part of our current laws are nebulous? Be specific. We're still waiting for an answer on what reforms are needed.
 
archives said:
You made my point, EO’s are only applicable till the next EO, only Congressional action will solve the problem
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What EOs do you think Trump needed to follow existing immigration law?

What SPECIFIC reforms do you think is needed to secure and already secured border under current law??
 
archives said:
You didn’t answer the question, what law did the last Administration ignore?
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8 USC 1182: Inadmissible aliens

Now what laws do you think are needed to secure what is already secure under the current administration?

archives said:
Laws are nebulous, antiquated, for example those covering asylum and refugee status
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What specific part of the immigration act is "nebulous?" It's very clear, particularly 8 USC 1182: Inadmissible aliens.
 
archives said:
I know, as I’ve told, it’s “99.99%” corrected, but the Red Hat Club is still posting their apocalyptic forwarnings, so what’s up that?
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The only ones ranting about an apocalypse are the morons on the left dumbass. Why all the flialing and deflecting.

You still haven't told us what laws would make an already secure border more secure.

archives said:
And the whataboutisms are getting old
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Says the brainless douchebag doing nothing BUT. You really are too stupid for words. But it does explain why you would vote for an empty headed twat like Kamala. :palm:
 
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