Ukranian counteroffensive making inroads
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Yet you hate the West and support both Putin and Xi. Why?
Tulsi is a fucking moron: "Today’s Democratic Party has led us to the brink of nuclear war. The party is led by cowardly warmongers who are firmly in the grips of the military industrial complex, and don’t know or care about the cost of war, or who pays the price."
The MIC conspiracy theory died after the Cold War. Tulsi is 30 years out of date.
Many Russians seem to believe that even if it was wrong to start the war, it would be a mistake to allow Russia to be defeated.
However, members of the Russian elite seem to share the growing unease aired among the milbloggers. On May 20-21, Russian officials and policy experts attended a meeting of the influential Council on Foreign and Security Policy think tank. Judging by reports from people who attended, such as State Duma Deputy Konstantin Zatulin, there was a clear sense that the war is going badly.
In a June 1 speech, Zatulin, a prominent nationalist lawmaker, noted that none of the initial goals of the “special operation” have been realized and admitted that “Ukrainians hate us because we are killing them."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-takes-fight-russians-signs-122810219.html
However, members of the Russian elite seem to share the growing unease aired among the milbloggers. On May 20-21, Russian officials and policy experts attended a meeting of the influential Council on Foreign and Security Policy think tank. Judging by reports from people who attended, such as State Duma Deputy Konstantin Zatulin, there was a clear sense that the war is going badly.
In a June 1 speech, Zatulin, a prominent nationalist lawmaker, noted that none of the initial goals of the “special operation” have been realized and admitted that “Ukrainians hate us because we are killing them."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-takes-fight-russians-signs-122810219.html
Just citing verifiable statistics. But you’re right, I don’t. Neither do you.
Yeah, the US thought the same thing in the mid to late 60s. The more body bags that come home, the more dissent will grow. There's a reason why GW Bush didn't want the picture below published and called it treasonous to show it.
Nobody wins a nuclear war. The vast majority of the rich, powerful and educated know this to be true. It's one thing to watch your leader rant and make threats. It's another to see him inching toward the nuclear button. IIRC, most of Russia's wealthy have their assets outside of Russia.
LOL on Zatulin's victory speech. Basically, he's looking for the Nixonian "Peace with Honor"; retreating but proclaiming victory and "time to go home". To make that work, they need to pull out all the way to pre-invasion status. If they ask for a ceasefire or any negotiations, everyone will know they are losing.
Yeah, the US thought the same thing in the mid to late 60s. The more body bags that come home, the more dissent will grow. There's a reason why GW Bush didn't want the picture below published and called it treasonous to show it.
Nobody wins a nuclear war. The vast majority of the rich, powerful and educated know this to be true. It's one thing to watch your leader rant and make threats. It's another to see him inching toward the nuclear button. IIRC, most of Russia's wealthy have their assets outside of Russia.
LOL on Zatulin's victory speech. Basically, he's looking for the Nixonian "Peace with Honor"; retreating but proclaiming victory and "time to go home". To make that work, they need to pull out all the way to pre-invasion status. If they ask for a ceasefire or any negotiations, everyone will know they are losing.
I think the fantasies of using tactical nukes among the rightwing Russian nationalists is a sign of weakness.
18 months after a global military superpower invaded a second rate European nation, Russia still only controls 18 percent of Ukraine and has achieved none of the objectives Putin established on February 23, 2022.
Zelensky is never going to surrender.
Ukrainians are willing to take body blows rather than submit.
It's between a rock and a hard place for Vlad Putin.
Agreed. False bravado. Like white supremacist Trumpers displaying their weapons on State courthouse steps. The problem is that such stupid people are dangerous. The good news is, as previously mentioned, those with something to lose are richer, more powerful and saner.
Putin has proved to be his own worst enemy; he gutted his own army for profit and now started a war with a gutted army. I truly believe that Putin is irrational. His paranoia about COVID is part of the evidence.
Agreed on Zelensky, but not just him, but the Ukrainian people. There's a relationship between the strength of the leaders and the strength of the society. Zelensky is a good leader. His reply about needing a ride will be remembered for decades if not centuries. Still, no matter how great a leader or their comments, if the people don't want to fight, they won't. Russia is finding this out with their own soldiers in Ukraine.
An effective military is not just bodies. It's also training, supply, leadership and moral. There are other factors, but those cover ones clearly missing in the Russian Army. I have no doubt the Russian people are as brave as any other...when defending their own homes. To conquer other people's lands requires a lot more than the willingness to die for one's home. The Ukrainians love their land and are willing to fight for it. I think most Americans would do the same, but I wonder about those who wouldn't because they have nothing to lose.
Vlad needs to become a hero of the Revolution by taking a short flight out of a 10th story hospital window.
Putin is a mass murderer of Ukrainian youth. Russian leadership should toss his psychotic ass out a 10-story window and stop the mass murder by withdrawing all Russian forces.
Tink supports authoritarian states like Russia. It's why she supports Trump to make the US like Russia, China and North Korea.
You say as America descends into tyranny, and I dont mean Trump.
Do you really believe Trump is benevolent and doesn't want to become President-for-Life?
I believe that Trump is on my side, unlike almost the entire Failed Elite Class.
Only fucking morons believe Trump is for anyone other than Trump. Even Ivanka and, possibly, Junior know it.
Yeah, Putin tells the truth, and American politicians lie. I hope you understand that Putin attacked a country that did not attack him. Putin is trying to recreate the Soviet Empire.
#10 hates America and praises Russia.
He does, and he has been very careful in Ukraine unlike the West, which China and most of the world appreciate.
I pursue and tell the truth, unlike most of my fellow Americans.
QED