Althea
Althea told me...
I think once the Russians are all gathered there, a massive assault will end their lives, and the war.
Much better weapons are on the way.
Ukraine needs to face reality to end conflict, talk to Putin: Zelenskyy
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Much better weapons are on the way.
Althea
Althea told me...
This ultimately gets worse for Russia. They are making slow gains now, but I believe there is something big on the horizon.
Morale is even worse now among the Russian troops.
Artillery works in Donbas small villages,
but not Kyiv.
It's too easy for Uk regulars to mix in the population. we've seen that in Kyiv and Kharkiv and great Buhhda only knows where else.
You can pulverize and pulverize,but sooner or later you have to advance and seize land to conquer.
And that's where the JAVELIN comes in. Squads of 5 or 6 men can take out a tank
They can hide behind rubble of building or trees. Same with drones - drones cant control territory
eventually you need boots and boots need armor
i beleive i've gone over the details..not a matter of trust, it's a matter of force and logistics
Putin threw in almost everything he had to take Kyiv -
what could he possibly do different to be successful this time?
no resistance where Russia is in control in Donbas - the populace wants Russian control
Black Sea coast im unsure of - but Crimea is Russian and happy about it
ROFL
how do you propose to sell that to Putin who holds the advantage in those areas??
He's doesnt want a cease-fire, he wants recognition this (areas you mentioned) is now fully Russian territory
“He doesn’t want a cease fire,” never has, until the entire Ukraine falls, he won’t stop, and Molvania will be next
Zelensky isnt stupid. he knows the east is lost. He wants to save what he can on the Black Sea
Best thing for him is a settlement now - Ukraine is also running out of fuel. Putin knows all this
Western military analysts see the battle for the two cities as a potential turning point in the war, now that Russia has redefined its principal objective as capturing the east.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...ls-more-than-40-towns-donbas-push-2022-05-26/
Reuters journalists in Russian-held territory further south saw proof of Moscow's advance in Svitlodarsk, where Ukrainian forces withdrew earlier this week.
The town is now firmly under control of pro-Russian fighters, who have occupied the local government building and hung a Soviet hammer and sickle flag at the door.
Reuters drone footage of the nearby abandoned battlefield showed craters pockmarking a green field surrounded by wrecked buildings. Pro-Russian fighters were milling about in trenches. Ukraine's military said 50 towns in Donetsk and Luhansk came under shelling on Thursday, with nine civilians killed.
Russia's recent gains in the Donbas follow the surrender of Ukraine's garrison in Mariupol last week, and suggest a shift in momentum after weeks in which Ukrainian forces had advanced near Kharkiv in the northeast.
"Recent Russian gains offer a sobering check on expectations for the near term," tweeted defence analyst Michael Kofman, director of Russian studies at the U.S.-based CNA think-tank.
Russian troops have broken through Ukrainian lines at Popasna, south of Sievierodonetsk, and are threatening to encircle Ukrainian forces, he wrote.
Ukrainian interior ministry adviser Vadym Denisenko told a briefing 25 Russian battalions were attempting to surround the Ukrainian forces.
he Donbas advance has been backed by massive artillery bombardment. Ukraine's armed forces said more than 40 towns in the region had been shelled in the past 24 hours, destroying or damaging 47 civilian sites, including 38 homes and a school.
Western countries led by the United States have provided Ukraine with long-range weaponry, including M777 howitzers from Washington and Harpoon anti-ship missiles from Denmark.
Washington is even considering providing Kyiv with a rocket system that can have a range of hundreds of kilometers
"We have concerns about escalation and yet still do not want to put geographic limits or tie their hands too much with the stuff we're giving them," said one U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Best thing for him is a settlement now - Ukraine is also running out of fuel. Putin knows all this
Western military analysts see the battle for the two cities as a potential turning point in the war, now that Russia has redefined its principal objective as capturing the east.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...ls-more-than-40-towns-donbas-push-2022-05-26/
Reuters journalists in Russian-held territory further south saw proof of Moscow's advance in Svitlodarsk, where Ukrainian forces withdrew earlier this week.
The town is now firmly under control of pro-Russian fighters, who have occupied the local government building and hung a Soviet hammer and sickle flag at the door.
Reuters drone footage of the nearby abandoned battlefield showed craters pockmarking a green field surrounded by wrecked buildings. Pro-Russian fighters were milling about in trenches. Ukraine's military said 50 towns in Donetsk and Luhansk came under shelling on Thursday, with nine civilians killed.
Russia's recent gains in the Donbas follow the surrender of Ukraine's garrison in Mariupol last week, and suggest a shift in momentum after weeks in which Ukrainian forces had advanced near Kharkiv in the northeast.
"Recent Russian gains offer a sobering check on expectations for the near term," tweeted defence analyst Michael Kofman, director of Russian studies at the U.S.-based CNA think-tank.
Russian troops have broken through Ukrainian lines at Popasna, south of Sievierodonetsk, and are threatening to encircle Ukrainian forces, he wrote.
Ukrainian interior ministry adviser Vadym Denisenko told a briefing 25 Russian battalions were attempting to surround the Ukrainian forces.
he Donbas advance has been backed by massive artillery bombardment. Ukraine's armed forces said more than 40 towns in the region had been shelled in the past 24 hours, destroying or damaging 47 civilian sites, including 38 homes and a school.
Western countries led by the United States have provided Ukraine with long-range weaponry, including M777 howitzers from Washington and Harpoon anti-ship missiles from Denmark.
Washington is even considering providing Kyiv with a rocket system that can have a range of hundreds of kilometers
"We have concerns about escalation and yet still do not want to put geographic limits or tie their hands too much with the stuff we're giving them," said one U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Putin knows by hard losses Ukraine cant be taken. Moldova already has Russian troops in it-
yes he'd love to control Odesa and the entire coast . .he cant do it, he has to stay about 50 kilometers from the coast to avoid Neptune anti-ship missiles
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Hopefully Putin ends up dead or his malignant influence is severely curtailed after this. Russians will be truly angry when the true costs of this pointless war are finally realised.
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I think you mean Moldova, don't you? Molvania is the name of a country most famous for being the birthplace of polka and the Molvanîan Sneezing Hound.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2004/10/04/molvania
no question Putin made a serious mistake by trying to take all of Ukraine to the Dnieper
But from Russia's POV it's not pointless. Keeping Ukraine as a buffer as Kissinger recently said and the Lavrov letters on Russian redlines were laughed off by Biden/Blinken,.
years of treating Russia as an unwanted stepchild, NATO expansion etc. got us here
Kissinger just said the other day that Ukraine has no choice, they must cede soil.
Putin misunderstood his military capacity, the plan itself was sound.
US preparing to approve advanced long-range rocket system for Ukraine
Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS)
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/26/politics/us-long-range-rockets-ukraine-mlrs/index.html
the heart of the matter was the same concern the administration has grappled with since the start of the war– whether sending increasingly heavy weaponry to Ukraine will be viewed by Russia as a provocation that could trigger some kind of retaliation against the US.
One major hang-up, the sources said, had been the rocket systems’ extensive range. The MLRS and its lighter-weight version, the HIMARS, can launch as far as 300km, or 186 miles, depending on the type of munition. They are fired from a mobile vehicle at land-based targets, which would allow the Ukrainians to more easily strike targets inside Russia.
Ukraine is already believed to have carried out numerous cross-border strikes inside Russia, which Ukrainian officials neither confirm nor deny. Russian officials have said publicly that any threat to their homeland would constitute a major escalation and have said that western countries are making themselves a legitimate target in the war by continuing to arm the Ukrainians with advanced weapons
Another major concern inside the Biden administration had been whether the US could afford to give away so many high-end weapons drawn from the military’s stockpiles, the sources said.
Asked on Monday whether the US would provide the systems, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin demurred. “I don’t want to get ahead of where we are in the process of resourcing requirements,” he told reporters.
Mark Milley on Monday. The military is watching “very, very carefully” to make sure the stockpiles don’t drop below levels that create a greater risk, he added.
The concern grows significantly with more capable, more expensive systems of which the US does not have as large a supply, the sources said.
Pentagon officials met with the CEO of Lockheed Martin last week to discuss supply and ramping up production of the MLRS, one source familiar with the meeting told CNN. The meeting was led by the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Sustainment Bill LaPlante.
The UK is also still deciding whether to send the systems, two officials told CNN, and would like to do so in conjunction with the US.
Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS)
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/26/politics/us-long-range-rockets-ukraine-mlrs/index.html
the heart of the matter was the same concern the administration has grappled with since the start of the war– whether sending increasingly heavy weaponry to Ukraine will be viewed by Russia as a provocation that could trigger some kind of retaliation against the US.
One major hang-up, the sources said, had been the rocket systems’ extensive range. The MLRS and its lighter-weight version, the HIMARS, can launch as far as 300km, or 186 miles, depending on the type of munition. They are fired from a mobile vehicle at land-based targets, which would allow the Ukrainians to more easily strike targets inside Russia.
Ukraine is already believed to have carried out numerous cross-border strikes inside Russia, which Ukrainian officials neither confirm nor deny. Russian officials have said publicly that any threat to their homeland would constitute a major escalation and have said that western countries are making themselves a legitimate target in the war by continuing to arm the Ukrainians with advanced weapons
Another major concern inside the Biden administration had been whether the US could afford to give away so many high-end weapons drawn from the military’s stockpiles, the sources said.
Asked on Monday whether the US would provide the systems, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin demurred. “I don’t want to get ahead of where we are in the process of resourcing requirements,” he told reporters.
Mark Milley on Monday. The military is watching “very, very carefully” to make sure the stockpiles don’t drop below levels that create a greater risk, he added.
The concern grows significantly with more capable, more expensive systems of which the US does not have as large a supply, the sources said.
Pentagon officials met with the CEO of Lockheed Martin last week to discuss supply and ramping up production of the MLRS, one source familiar with the meeting told CNN. The meeting was led by the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Sustainment Bill LaPlante.
The UK is also still deciding whether to send the systems, two officials told CNN, and would like to do so in conjunction with the US.
US preparing to approve advanced long-range rocket system for Ukraine
Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS)
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/26/politics/us-long-range-rockets-ukraine-mlrs/index.html
the heart of the matter was the same concern the administration has grappled with since the start of the war– whether sending increasingly heavy weaponry to Ukraine will be viewed by Russia as a provocation that could trigger some kind of retaliation against the US.
One major hang-up, the sources said, had been the rocket systems’ extensive range. The MLRS and its lighter-weight version, the HIMARS, can launch as far as 300km, or 186 miles, depending on the type of munition. They are fired from a mobile vehicle at land-based targets, which would allow the Ukrainians to more easily strike targets inside Russia.
Ukraine is already believed to have carried out numerous cross-border strikes inside Russia, which Ukrainian officials neither confirm nor deny. Russian officials have said publicly that any threat to their homeland would constitute a major escalation and have said that western countries are making themselves a legitimate target in the war by continuing to arm the Ukrainians with advanced weapons
Another major concern inside the Biden administration had been whether the US could afford to give away so many high-end weapons drawn from the military’s stockpiles, the sources said.
Asked on Monday whether the US would provide the systems, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin demurred. “I don’t want to get ahead of where we are in the process of resourcing requirements,” he told reporters.
Mark Milley on Monday. The military is watching “very, very carefully” to make sure the stockpiles don’t drop below levels that create a greater risk, he added.
The concern grows significantly with more capable, more expensive systems of which the US does not have as large a supply, the sources said.
Pentagon officials met with the CEO of Lockheed Martin last week to discuss supply and ramping up production of the MLRS, one source familiar with the meeting told CNN. The meeting was led by the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Sustainment Bill LaPlante.
The UK is also still deciding whether to send the systems, two officials told CNN, and would like to do so in conjunction with the US.
The Chinese have very long memories.
This will end badly.
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Yes they know that perfectly well but intend to make it as painful as possible for the Russians. They need to be taught a very hard lesson to inhibit them from future attempts to grab territory.
China has already ruled that the Russian operation is justified.
Going forwards it is only what China decides that matters.
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