Ukraine needs to face reality to end conflict, talk to Putin: Zelenskyy

[floridafan]

He can't but at least end the fighting now. The war is not going well for Ukraine in Donetsk and Luhansk . Do you really see Ukraine getting those areas back anytime soon without wiping them off the earth?

You should be admitting how terrible this war has gone for Russia, who has at best a 3rd rate military. Their economy is a disaster, citizens are upset, and their military is being devastated. Can you begin to even count the Russian casualties, and the vast numbers of equipmentpment lost.

 

[dukkha]

But you are ignoring “cypress’s” point, how can anyone believe anything Putin says? Putin settles on an agreement favorable to him, the Ukraine demobilizes, and month later Putin again pushes on for more territory

Can the Ukraine win, no, but their best hope is to stall and frustrate Putin long enough so that he or the Russian people have had enough, it is costing them

first off Uk isn't going to "demobilize" we are probably going to keep up our weapons - maybe even bases.
I know many want "forward bases" (defacto NATO) in Uk

where is Putin going to push?? he cant get out of the east, he can consolidate the Black Sea coast
but he can't use his navy much to go after Odesa, because of Harpoon and such
This is basically the final lines -give or take here and there.

we can even promise lifting some sanctions -but Biden and McConnell are mad dogs -
so probably not.
Still Russia knows it cant get much more, and it needs the war to end as well

 

[dukkha]

Basically what I'm saying. "Let Russia have the responsibility "

Donbas is completely shattered. most homes are gone too. It was bad before Russian regulars went in. now it's rubble.. Putin gets his buffer ( kind of) but that area is going to stay that way for a long time

 

[dukkha]

I haven't heard any of that lately. Makes me wonder if Xi told him to back off with that kind of talk.

it's stil there but reserved for any "existential threat" to Russia. I'm amazed he didn't use tactical nukes
I didnt think he would restrain..perhaps that was Xi's doing?

 

[dukkha]

You may be willing to surrender and submit to an invader, I don't think Ukranians will.

There is nothing Putin can promise that will be trusted. If Zalensky gives him Donbass and the southern coast, there is no way to trust Putin will stop there. He could be back in 12 months with a reinforced Russian army for another assault on Kyiv.

how? he has less now and armor doesnt work.
it's not a question of "trust" it's a question of lacking a force to take Kyiv

 

[dukkha]

Wait a minute, are you telling us now Russia is a puppet of China? That what is decided in the Kremlin comes via Tiananmen Square?

Russia is dependent on China -
that was happening even before the war when we sanctioned Putin right into Xi's arms

 

[dukkha]

Doubtful, Putin doesn’t play second banana to anyone

lol
he's independent, but dependent on China as well

 

[floridafan]

This story that Putin intended to take UKRAINE is an outright lie.....Putin had something like 10% of the forces that would be required to take and hold Ukraine, that was never the intent.

What then was his intent? To destroy his Army, to kill 10's of thousands of his troops, to show the world how incompetent the Russian military is, or just maybe to kill a hundred or so of his most senior officers?

 

[Cypress]

how? he has less now and armor doesnt work.
it's not a question of "trust" it's a question of lacking a force to take Kyiv

Armor doesn't win these kind of wars in the 21st century. Artillery, drones, air power do. Russia is the world's largest artillery army.

Nothing the notorious war criminal Vlad Putin promises can be trusted. Whatever territorial concessions Kyiv offers him now, he'll just be back for more later.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

The United States has a policy of not negotiating with terrorists! AND FOR GOOD REASON!

Russia is now the world's largest terrorist organization!

They destroy a country, Destroy the lives of 40 million people, mame and kill millions of innocent men, women, and children, and now want to negotiate!

WHAT KIND OF FUCKING RETARD ARE YOU TO SUGGEST THIS?

I've seen so many stupid people suggesting such stupid things here in this forum today, I am just sad!

God, I never knew the world had so many stupid careless people in it!

Did we or anyone else negotiate with Hitler?

Did the US negotiate with England during our Revolutionary WAR for our own independence?

DID THE 200 men in the ALAMO negotiate with MEXICO? Yes, they asked if their women and children could leave safely and peacefully!

Other than that, they fought to their death!

 

[Cypress]

This story that Putin intended to take UKRAINE is an outright lie.....Putin had something like 10% of the forces that would be required to take and hold Ukraine, that was never the intent.

He thought he would be welcomed as a liberator and the Ukraine armed forces would rapidly fold. That's why he was blitzkrieging Kyiv in late February.

 

[cancel2 2022]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukraine-reality-conflict-putin-zelenskyy
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Friday that while Ukraine was not eager to have a dialogue with Russian President Vladimir Putin, his country has to face the reality that communication will likely be needed to end the war.

"There are things to discuss with the Russian leader. I'm not telling you that to me our people are eager to talk to him, but we have to face the realities of what we are living through," he said in an address.

"What do we want from this meeting … We want our lives back ... We want to reclaim the life of a sovereign country within its own territory," he said.

On Thursday, the Kremlin said that it expects Ukraine to accept Russia's demands and "the understanding of the real situation that exists de-facto."

Russia's assault on Ukraine has not let up and its military on Friday pounded the last Ukrainian strongholds in a separatist-controlled eastern province of Ukraine.

Who can trust an odious vile monster like Putin?

 

[moon]

He thought he would be welcomed as a liberator and the Ukraine armed forces would rapidly fold. That's why he was blitzkrieging Kyiv in late February.

' Yesterday.........all my troubles seemed so....faaaar away.... '

 

[Moosakofsky]

You actually think Putin takes orders from Xi?

To an extent, yes.

 

[Moosakofsky]

You may be willing to surrender and submit to an invader, I don't think Ukranians will.

There is nothing Putin can promise that will be trusted. If Zalensky gives him Donbass and the southern coast, there is no way to trust Putin will stop there. He could be back in 12 months with a reinforced Russian army for another assault on Kyiv.

Even Zelenskyy is facing reality. The war can go on indefinitely or both sides can come to an agreement not satisfactory to either side. And there can always be a resistance against the hated Russians.

 

[Cypress]

LIAR

You vastly overrated Russian military capabilities in late February, and there is no way this war turned out like you anticipated Three months ago.

 

[Cypress]

Even Zelenskyy is facing reality. The war can go on indefinitely or both sides can come to an agreement not satisfactory to either side. And there can always be a resistance against the hated Russians.

Nothing wrong with an reaching a ceasefire without requiring Ukraine to recognize Donbass, Crimea, Azov Sea coast as Russian territory

 

[Hawkeye10]

yesterday or the day before it was "Russia threatens the Baltics and Poland" when talking to Latvia parliament
2 party talks wont do it.. too much posturing, too much walking away from talks
Erdogan is a perfect mediator and tried before but no one was ready for talks.

Noe that Ukraine is getting kicked around -all of a sudden he wants to talk to Putin
The question is does Putin want to talk to him? right now- no.
Putin has everything to gain -he already lost the attempt to take Kyiv, so he's going to
maximize gains in the south and east.

The exception would be to relax sanctions if he took part in talks
But the USA wants this war to go on. we want Putin out. It's always been about regime change
to the creeps in Congress and the NSC freaks. so we wont relax sanctions...and the meatgrinder continues

"Will say anything to get what I want, I don't give a fuck."

 

[Hawkeye10]

yesterday or the day before it was "Russia threatens the Baltics and Poland" when talking to Latvia parliament
2 party talks wont do it.. too much posturing, too much walking away from talks
Erdogan is a perfect mediator and tried before but no one was ready for talks.

Noe that Ukraine is getting kicked around -all of a sudden he wants to talk to Putin
The question is does Putin want to talk to him? right now- no.
Putin has everything to gain -he already lost the attempt to take Kyiv, so he's going to
maximize gains in the south and east.

The exception would be to relax sanctions if he took part in talks
But the USA wants this war to go on. we want Putin out. It's always been about regime change
to the creeps in Congress and the NSC freaks. so we wont relax sanctions...and the meatgrinder continues

The Empire has been clear, once Ukraine does as they must then we can all move on.

Nothing has changed

 

[Althea]

Let Russia have the responsibility of rebulding those areas. They're the hardest hit. Like I said earlier this could/should be similar to the outcome of the Winter War with Finland.

With the exception of Russia getting absolutely no Ukraine soil