the point is Russia looks to expand it's alliances, and Turkey is unhappy with NATO.
Central Asia is up for grabs with Afghanistan now decidedly "un-western"
Turkey is currently in the process of dropping out of NATO in favor of Russia
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Central Asia is up for grabs with Afghanistan now decidedly "un-western"
I need to remember that in the future also. I’ve tried to have civil discussions with him but finally came to the realization it’s not possible.
Anyways, that’s Turkey’s decision, not a thing we can do about it. Having lived in Germany I can tell you the Turks there have never assimilated into German culture very well. They can and some do but overall they just don’t. They do have great little döner kabob imbisses
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Not in the Middle East, religion reigns supreme, and I don’t know what “Afpak” is but if you mean Afghanistan, Iran may have funded the Taliban but they certainly aren’t going to continue with the US departed.
Russia and China have improved relations largely due to China’s expanding their influence worldwide while Trump pulled the US out of world affairs but that is not to assume they are now buddy buddy
“realpolitik” is an early 20th Century thought, like the “Soviet Heartland” myth, only application today would be another description of pragmatism, not quite Bismarck
Russia has always looked to expand its influence, not alliances, and keep in mind, take away Russia’s nuclear arsenal and it isn’t a major power, Turkey knows that and that the US has the bucks, as I said, playing two ends against the middle
the Abraham Accords shows religion is not the be all and end all even in the mideast.
Qatar and Iran are closely aligned - Sunni and Shi'a as well.
But I agree secularism ( to the point of internecine war!)is more important there then elsewhere
T rump pulled us out of what exactly? The WTO? the TPP
the WTO is a paper tiger -and relying on them for 'fair trade' was/is a bad joke.
everyone agrees the TPP is a disaster for America -Hillary, Bernie and Trump
we become captive to a bunch of international lawyers to set trade policy.
Trump understood we are better off using the size of our economy as a bargaining chip.
It's why Canada acquiesced to the "New NAFTA" - after the US and Mexico signed the agreement;
Canada had to join in or be left out in the cold. bilateral trade agreements are enforceable as well;
unlike the WTO
Kissinger was a practioner of realpolitik for all his faults being Nixon's side kick
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Trump Returns U.S. to Realpolitik in World Affairs
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-returns-u-s-to-realpolitik-in-world-affairs-1505851115
President’s United Nations address marks return of U.S. foreign policy to practical considerations rather than moral calculations
there is some of that for sure.
Sisi (Egypt) does the same thing -alliances dont have to be a formal agreement.
The Russian China alliance though is more then the SCO ( Shanghai Cooperation Org)
They have done and continue to war game under a unified command - unthinkable a few years ago.
we put Putin in a box, and Xi lets him out -cant blame Russia for advancing it's interests.
or Turkey for that matter
He's a moron -like his namesake BidenPresident
we could ship them their damn F-35s they paid for!! lol
Trump and Turkey manged to at least agree on NATO.
Trump took the time to meet and hear out Erdogan. Biden shuns him as "authoritarian"
Jimmy Carteresque.
Destroy foreign policy only because the country’s leader isn’t woke (like me).
The Thing about India is that they can never, over centuries, get their shit together. There is something wrong with the culture, which I see no evidence of changing. They might not be all that much of a prize.
Beginning to see? I have been talking about China/Russia/Iran for years.
India has a ready made place as part of the Quad
The Quad in the Indo-Pacific:
https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/quad-indo-pacific-what-know
The Quad, composed of the United States, Australia, India, and Japan, is not a formal alliance. Still, the group has intensified its security and economic ties as tensions with China rise.
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Biden made one quad video call by way of introductions and said it was useful,
but never talked to P.M. Modi again
Carter started "Human rights" foreign policy -the opposite of realpolitik.Jimmy Carteresque.
Destroy foreign policy only because the country’s leader isn’t woke (like me).
What has that to do with my point?
Matt Dillon
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Soviet Union was a Slavic-Turkic alliance. The Azeris, Uzbeks, Turkmen, Kyrgyz, Kazakhs and several ethnic groups in Russia all speak Turkic languages. The Turks in Turkey and the Uighurs in China were the only Turkic people on the planet to fall outside of this alliance.
After the US’s missteps in Iraq, Syria and elsewhere in the Middle East, Turkey has decided to work with Russia on forging an alliance that would incorporate these Turkic-speaking former-Soviet Republics.
https://www.quora.com/
If that's Erdogan's country? Good!
Let Putin deal with that sumbitch.
PS: Any nukes that were there have been moved.
Maybe Putin can keep his ass out of Syria.
Erdogan is a fucking douchebag.
Hey! I saw a video where a Turk killed a Russian diplomat. The US has no business being allied with that fuckstick Erdogan.
Matt Dillon
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Yes. None in Turkey anymore. I won't say where they went, but I know.
After Erdogan cut the power to Incirlik, (and that was a long time ago) the nukes were moved.
It was determined he's not trustworthy.
I know where the nukes are even, and I'm not saying.
FFS it's NATO
Gawd, you're such a useless fucking poster. Every time I think you're going to show a redeeming quality, you shit all over another thread like this.
Lots of people for years have been saying that the Turkey nukes had to go.
Matt Dillon
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Why ally with a dickhead Muslim?