Tulsa Rally Could Be Corona Super Spreader Event

Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed...but it would be a total cluster fuck. First, it'd take up to a month for one or both to die, so probably no earlier than the end of August.

Second, almighty Congress would spend at least a week if not two jerking off their fellow party members and the public deciding whether to change the date and/or how to allow what names on the ballot. I don't know if they have a Plan B for this contingency (a candidate dying close to election day) but it would, without a doubt, it would make herding cats look easy.

Lastly, being America, at least a small percentage of Americans will be pissed off about the decision and start loudly protesting it.
Even if it's only 1%, in a population of over 250M voting Americans, that's 2.5M whiners. That's a lot of whining....just like we have now. :)
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I'm not going to spend much time considering it. I know you wish for better choices with a more pressing desire than I do, so I get it why you're thinking about it, but for me it's the kind of thing that I'm just not going to put much thought into unless something happens to warrant it.

I'm OK with Biden. He's safe. He has boundaries. We're used to that kind of governance. I'll certainly be pressing and pushing him to do things he's reluctant to do, and I'll be critical when he caves to big money, so we'll see.

If DT wins again, hoo boy. More hair pulling, more dismantling of our nation, more accusations of wrongdoing, another impeachment, who knows. 25th amendment, good luck. Republicans would have to do that and he's got them wrapped around his little finger. I imagine he would pretty much think there's nothing he can't get away with, and then he'll pull something so outrageous that even Senate Republicans would have to finally hold him accountable, but holding the breath for that to happen would be a good way to suffocate. He's done so much damage to the nation in 4 years I shudder to think if we could take another 4. And would the world stand for it. We could end up a very hot war, who with is anybody's guess.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed...but it would be a total cluster fuck. First, it'd take up to a month for one or both to die, so probably no earlier than the end of August.

Second, almighty Congress would spend at least a week if not two jerking off their fellow party members and the public deciding whether to change the date and/or how to allow what names on the ballot. I don't know if they have a Plan B for this contingency (a candidate dying close to election day) but it would, without a doubt, it would make herding cats look easy.

Lastly, being America, at least a small percentage of Americans will be pissed off about the decision and start loudly protesting it.
Even if it's only 1%, in a population of over 250M voting Americans, that's 2.5M whiners. That's a lot of whining....just like we have now. :)
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It's all academic now.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch Uncle,



I'm not going to spend much time considering it. I know you wish for better choices with a more pressing desire than I do, so I get it why you're thinking about it, but for me it's the kind of thing that I'm just not going to put much thought into unless something happens to warrant it.

I'm OK with Biden. He's safe. He has boundaries. We're used to that kind of governance. I'll certainly be pressing and pushing him to do things he's reluctant to do, and I'll be critical when he caves to big money, so we'll see.

If DT wins again, hoo boy. More hair pulling, more dismantling of our nation, more accusations of wrongdoing, another impeachment, who knows. 25th amendment, good luck. Republicans would have to do that and he's got them wrapped around his little finger. I imagine he would pretty much think there's nothing he can't get away with, and then he'll pull something so outrageous that even Senate Republicans would have to finally hold him accountable, but holding the breath for that to happen would be a good way to suffocate. He's done so much damage to the nation in 4 years I shudder to think if we could take another 4. And would the world stand for it. We could end up a very hot war, who with is anybody's guess.
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It's not just Biden. I like Biden even though I'm not voting for him due to age and politics. The problem is an increasingly authoritarian political party that is poised to take control of the WH and Congress. That possibility is disturbing....and all because Trump is a fuck up.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Disgreed since the reality is there are still 3 months to go in the middle of a pandemic and both candidates are mid-level septuagenarians with a virus that is especially hard on the elderly.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex

Is there any doubt that millions of Americans, both Democrats and Republicans, are praying that Trump is removed from nomination by his own virus?
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I don't have much faith in prayer. I have faith in the goodness of humanity to prevail over the bad. And the truth of that is evident all around us. If bad prevailed over good, the world would look like Mad Max. But no. We humans have built an amazing world for ourselves. That's why my faith is in humanity.

I don't have anything against prayer. I completely support freedom of religion. Prayer can't hurt. I would never belittle anyone who believes in prayer. That is everyone's right. I support that right as I support the right of those who choose their own way to deal with the unknown.

But the death of DT or Biden is greatly overblown. Both of them will tell you the reports are simply not true. At this point, any such talk is indeed academic. Somewhere around 1% of Americans have COVID. And only 6% Of THOSE have died from it. Just keeping things in perspective...
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
It's not just Biden. I like Biden even though I'm not voting for him due to age and politics. The problem is an increasingly authoritarian political party that is poised to take control of the WH and Congress. That possibility is disturbing....and all because Trump is a fuck up.
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I see that view as over hyped. Yes, the Democratic Party has it's corruption of big money just as the Republican party does. And just like in the Republican party, the Democratic party has it's good people and bad.

I'm hopeful that this new influx of younger, minority, and more female Democrats, who are elected not on the power of corporate money but on the strength of their encouraging messages and deeds, will usher in a new awareness that no party built on corruption can stay in power long as the other criticizes it publicly. The only way to stop the political pendulum from swinging too wildly is to draw it toward the middle. Create policy that works for everyone. Educate those who might be swayed by BS. Let everyone know why we do the things we must and why we resist the things that are dangerous.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch Uncle,

I don't have much faith in prayer. I have faith in the goodness of humanity to prevail over the bad. And the truth of that is evident all around us. If bad prevailed over good, the world would look like Mad Max. But no. We humans have built an amazing world for ourselves. That's why my faith is in humanity.

I don't have anything against prayer. I completely support freedom of religion. Prayer can't hurt. I would never belittle anyone who believes in prayer. That is everyone's right. I support that right as I support the right of those who choose their own way to deal with the unknown.

But the death of DT or Biden is greatly overblown. Both of them will tell you the reports are simply not true. At this point, any such talk is indeed academic. Somewhere around 1% of Americans have COVID. And only 6% Of THOSE have died from it. Just keeping things in perspective...
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Nonetheless tens of millions of Americans do. Regardless whether it works or not, the comment regarded them doing it, not the effectiveness of it.

Agreed on human goodness.

Agreed on your numbers. Now post the numbers of elderly people who are very sick from the disease but will survive after months of suffering. Wouldn't that achieve the same results?

25th Amendment, Section 4:
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch Uncle,



I see that view as over hyped. Yes, the Democratic Party has it's corruption of big money just as the Republican party does. And just like in the Republican party, the Democratic party has it's good people and bad.

I'm hopeful that this new influx of younger, minority, and more female Democrats, who are elected not on the power of corporate money but on the strength of their encouraging messages and deeds, will usher in a new awareness that no party built on corruption can stay in power long as the other criticizes it publicly. The only way to stop the political pendulum from swinging too wildly is to draw it toward the middle. Create policy that works for everyone. Educate those who might be swayed by BS. Let everyone know why we do the things we must and why we resist the things that are dangerous.
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Maybe they will, but they are narrow-viewed and idealistic like young people often are. Is there any doubt that they view the world as they view their neighborhood? With only an eye of a big city citizen? Is there any doubt that they believe in "One-Size-Fits-All" legislation and seek to mandate those laws across a land of 328M citizens one of the geographically largest nations on the planet?
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch Uncle,



I see that view as over hyped. Yes, the Democratic Party has it's corruption of big money just as the Republican party does. And just like in the Republican party, the Democratic party has it's good people and bad.

I'm hopeful that this new influx of younger, minority, and more female Democrats, who are elected not on the power of corporate money but on the strength of their encouraging messages and deeds, will usher in a new awareness that no party built on corruption can stay in power long as the other criticizes it publicly. The only way to stop the political pendulum from swinging too wildly is to draw it toward the middle. Create policy that works for everyone. Educate those who might be swayed by BS. Let everyone know why we do the things we must and why we resist the things that are dangerous.
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Greetings PoliTalker;

Well spoken words which make sense.
 
The Democrat mobs in Democrat controlled cities are not social distancing as they riot, loot, burn, assault and murder innocents, even a two year old baby.
 
Earl said:
The Democrat mobs in Democrat controlled cities are not social distancing as they riot, loot, burn, assault and murder innocents, even a two year old baby.
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Why not go in your local walmart & peach about it..... Get out of your dwelling, air out, take a walk, w/ your mask @ the ready.......
 
Earl said:
The Democrat mobs in Democrat controlled cities are not social distancing as they riot, loot, burn, assault and murder innocents, even a two year old baby.
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You are nuts. Almost every protester is peaceful. It is the Trump army beating people, tear gassing them and shooting them with "rubber bullets. They also focus on attacking reporters. The fascists are in power on the streets.
 
Nordberg said:
You are nuts. Almost every protester is peaceful. It is the Trump army beating people, tear gassing them and shooting them with "rubber bullets. They also focus on attacking reporters. The fascists are in power on the streets.
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If Obama was doing it, earl would be saying the exact opposite, as would the rest of them...........
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Maybe they will, but they are narrow-viewed and idealistic like young people often are. Is there any doubt that they view the world as they view their neighborhood? With only an eye of a big city citizen? Is there any doubt that they believe in "One-Size-Fits-All" legislation and seek to mandate those laws across a land of 328M citizens one of the geographically largest nations on the planet?
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We shall see. Time will tell. Also, their influence is buffered by the old school long timers. Should be interesting to watch...
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch Uncle,

We shall see. Time will tell. Also, their influence is buffered by the old school long timers. Should be interesting to watch...
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Agreed but with people like AOC leading the pack, it appears they'll run headlong into that "one size fits all" form of Liberalism.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed but with people like AOC leading the pack, it appears they'll run headlong into that "one size fits all" form of Liberalism.
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At least that's what DT is trying to portray. But you have to know. Getting Democrats to all agree on the same thing is just as easy as herding cats.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch Uncle,

At least that's what DT is trying to portray. But you have to know. Getting Democrats to all agree on the same thing is just as easy as herding cats.
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Just because DT is benefitting from it doesn't make it untrue. This is the importance of having balance in our government so that extremists can be controlled. Just think what Trump would have done if he had the full cooperation of Congress.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Just because DT is benefitting from it doesn't make it untrue. This is the importance of having balance in our government so that extremists can be controlled. Just think what Trump would have done if he had the full cooperation of Congress.
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Fortunately, that would never happen because of the Lincoln rule.

You can't fool all the people all the time.
 
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