Trump's DOA budget includes $800 billion in Medicaid cuts

blackascoal said:
We've been down this road before. You should know better by now.

Forbes: Three Ways Trump, GOP May Cut Social Security, Medicare
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwa...ay-cut-social-security-medicare/#52a47da073eb

The Republican Obsession With Dismantling Social Security And Medicare
https://www.socialsecurityworks.org/2017/01/15/gop-dismantling-social-security-medicare/

I have repeatedly demonstrated republican efforts to cut/privatize/dismantle both Social Security and Medicare to you .. and if need be, I can post lots of comments from republicans themselves to once again prove that to you.

With the draconian budget they just released, not sure how you claim they won't cut these programs because they fear losing their jobs.
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Please show where they've actually cut anything, not just the rhetoric. They haven't done jack
 
cawacko said:
Please show where they've actually cut anything, not just the rhetoric. They haven't done jack
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They just cut 800b from Medicaid. Any idea what effect that has on Medicare?

Trump’s budget proposal to slash $800B from Medicaid; AHCA’s potential impact on Medicare

The budget proposal will be Trump’s first comprehensive budget plan; the administration released a streamlined version in March that only accounted for part of federal spending. That included major cuts to the Department of Health and Human Services that would significantly impact medical research and other healthcare programs. Trump’s March proposal was widely panned by healthcare industry groups.

The AHCA faces an uphill battle to pass in its current form*and is opposed by every major healthcare industry group, particularly because of its far-reaching cuts to Medicaid. The bill passed the House of Representatives by a narrow 217-213 margin before the Congressional Budget Office could score it, but CBO estimates on previous versions of the bill suggest that 24 million could lose insurance coverage by 2026.

The impact on Medicare

While much of the talk surrounding the AHCA and Trump’s financial proposals has centered on cuts and changes to Medicaid, the bill’s provisions could also be felt in Medicare, according to an analysis from the Commonwealth Fund penned by Cindy Mann, a healthcare attorney at Manatt, Phelps & Phillips, LLP, and Allison Orris, counsel at Manatt Health. The bill doesn’t include specific changes to that program*but would profoundly impact people who are dual eligible, receiving benefits from both Medicare and Medicaid.

“The AHCA may on paper leave Medicare alone, but millions of Medicare beneficiaries and their families—and indeed the Medicare program itself—would feel its impact,” according to the Commonwealth Fund.

About 11 million Medicare beneficiaries are also eligible for Medicaid assistance, according to the report. Almost three-quarters (72%) of these dual-eligible people are at high risk under the per capita caps on Medicaid spending that the AHCA puts forward.

That program would put pressure on state budgets, and while they could use some of the extra funds for the elderly toward Medicaid coverage for other populations, like women and children, that’s not a sustainable response, as the American population is aging.

This would likely put constraints on care for some of the poorest and sickest Americans, according to the report. Medicare and Medicaid are very closely connected, so constraints on Medicaid will be felt and borne in Medicare instead.
http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/aca...rom-medicaid-ahca-s-potential-impact-medicare

Frankly, I'm not sure what it is that you're arguing? Why do you think republicans propose, talk about, and pass this kind of legislation? It's because they, the republicans, want to drastically cut all funding for everyone but themselves, women and children be damned.
 
blackascoal said:
They just cut 800b from Medicaid. Any idea what effect that has on Medicare?

Trump’s budget proposal to slash $800B from Medicaid; AHCA’s potential impact on Medicare

The budget proposal will be Trump’s first comprehensive budget plan; the administration released a streamlined version in March that only accounted for part of federal spending. That included major cuts to the Department of Health and Human Services that would significantly impact medical research and other healthcare programs. Trump’s March proposal was widely panned by healthcare industry groups.

The AHCA faces an uphill battle to pass in its current form*and is opposed by every major healthcare industry group, particularly because of its far-reaching cuts to Medicaid. The bill passed the House of Representatives by a narrow 217-213 margin before the Congressional Budget Office could score it, but CBO estimates on previous versions of the bill suggest that 24 million could lose insurance coverage by 2026.

The impact on Medicare

While much of the talk surrounding the AHCA and Trump’s financial proposals has centered on cuts and changes to Medicaid, the bill’s provisions could also be felt in Medicare, according to an analysis from the Commonwealth Fund penned by Cindy Mann, a healthcare attorney at Manatt, Phelps & Phillips, LLP, and Allison Orris, counsel at Manatt Health. The bill doesn’t include specific changes to that program*but would profoundly impact people who are dual eligible, receiving benefits from both Medicare and Medicaid.

“The AHCA may on paper leave Medicare alone, but millions of Medicare beneficiaries and their families—and indeed the Medicare program itself—would feel its impact,” according to the Commonwealth Fund.

About 11 million Medicare beneficiaries are also eligible for Medicaid assistance, according to the report. Almost three-quarters (72%) of these dual-eligible people are at high risk under the per capita caps on Medicaid spending that the AHCA puts forward.

That program would put pressure on state budgets, and while they could use some of the extra funds for the elderly toward Medicaid coverage for other populations, like women and children, that’s not a sustainable response, as the American population is aging.

This would likely put constraints on care for some of the poorest and sickest Americans, according to the report. Medicare and Medicaid are very closely connected, so constraints on Medicaid will be felt and borne in Medicare instead.
http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/aca...rom-medicaid-ahca-s-potential-impact-medicare

Frankly, I'm not sure what it is that you're arguing? Why do you think republicans propose, talk about, and pass this kind of legislation? It's because they, the republicans, want to drastically cut all funding for everyone but themselves, women and children be damned.
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You think a proposal has already happened.

No wonder you people lose so many elections.
 
I'm not happy about $800b/10 years..but something has to be done.

Ideally we should cut the European phase of the Defense budget ; but the Russiaphobes will want MORE
More redundant/layered weapons systems.More tanks battalions, more permanent deployments,
more NATO expansion.

we couldn't get $800b over ten years? we could get damn close if not. It's a colossal waste of money
Putin! *grr grr*
 
blackascoal said:
They just cut 800b from Medicaid. Any idea what effect that has on Medicare?

Trump’s budget proposal to slash $800B from Medicaid; AHCA’s potential impact on Medicare

The budget proposal will be Trump’s first comprehensive budget plan; the administration released a streamlined version in March that only accounted for part of federal spending. That included major cuts to the Department of Health and Human Services that would significantly impact medical research and other healthcare programs. Trump’s March proposal was widely panned by healthcare industry groups.

The AHCA faces an uphill battle to pass in its current form*and is opposed by every major healthcare industry group, particularly because of its far-reaching cuts to Medicaid. The bill passed the House of Representatives by a narrow 217-213 margin before the Congressional Budget Office could score it, but CBO estimates on previous versions of the bill suggest that 24 million could lose insurance coverage by 2026.

The impact on Medicare

While much of the talk surrounding the AHCA and Trump’s financial proposals has centered on cuts and changes to Medicaid, the bill’s provisions could also be felt in Medicare, according to an analysis from the Commonwealth Fund penned by Cindy Mann, a healthcare attorney at Manatt, Phelps & Phillips, LLP, and Allison Orris, counsel at Manatt Health. The bill doesn’t include specific changes to that program*but would profoundly impact people who are dual eligible, receiving benefits from both Medicare and Medicaid.

“The AHCA may on paper leave Medicare alone, but millions of Medicare beneficiaries and their families—and indeed the Medicare program itself—would feel its impact,” according to the Commonwealth Fund.

About 11 million Medicare beneficiaries are also eligible for Medicaid assistance, according to the report. Almost three-quarters (72%) of these dual-eligible people are at high risk under the per capita caps on Medicaid spending that the AHCA puts forward.

That program would put pressure on state budgets, and while they could use some of the extra funds for the elderly toward Medicaid coverage for other populations, like women and children, that’s not a sustainable response, as the American population is aging.

This would likely put constraints on care for some of the poorest and sickest Americans, according to the report. Medicare and Medicaid are very closely connected, so constraints on Medicaid will be felt and borne in Medicare instead.
http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/aca...rom-medicaid-ahca-s-potential-impact-medicare

Frankly, I'm not sure what it is that you're arguing? Why do you think republicans propose, talk about, and pass this kind of legislation? It's because they, the republicans, want to drastically cut all funding for everyone but themselves, women and children be damned.
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That's a proposal. Nothing has been signed into law
 
cawacko said:
Unsustainable programs that take up almost half the budget. What you are complaing about is peanuts
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Oh, you think the amount that some freeloader using social programs is the problem? If some no good, freeloading piece of shit gets a penny of what someone else earned, it's one cent too much.
 
CFM said:
Why won't you care for your own children?

Unless I got the pussy the kid came out of, they're not my responsibility.
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Just STFU and keep paying your taxes, loser shit bag!!!!

Nothing you can do about it!!!!
 
CFM said:
Oh, you think the amount that some freeloader using social programs is the problem? If some no good, freeloading piece of shit gets a penny of what someone else earned, it's one cent too much.
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Just STFU and keep paying your taxes, loser shit bag!!!!

Nothing you can do about it!!!!
 
Buckly J. Ewer said:
CFM isn't interested in fiscal conservatism...
He just wants to see brown children starve.
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I'm interested in seeing those of you that think someone else's kids should be taken care of do it yourself. I'm interested in seeing those that had the kids take care of their own instead of expecting those of us that aren't their parents do it because they won't.

In other words, if I didn't get the pussy some kid came out of, they're not my responsibility to support.
 
Nomad said:
Just STFU and keep paying your taxes, loser shit bag!!!!

Nothing you can do about it!!!!
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Come and try to take it from me, BOY. You and I both know you're not man enough to do it much less try. Typical inferior BOY.
 
Nomad said:
I revel at the thought of every nickel that gets taken out of his meager, shitty little paycheck and used for welfare and food stamps.
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I revel every time some freeloading piece of shit that demands others support him/her does without something.
 
Why does Medicaid cuts make one cold hearted?

Maybe he is cutting wasteful tax spending and replacing it with a private charity system. Bet than never crossed your ignorant mind.
 
CFM said:
Buckly and the rest of the bleeding hearts shouldn't view this as a cut but an opportunity to prove the compassion they quickly claim.
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Maybe they can volunteer at local hospitals and help lower costs. They claim to be compassionate, and probably don't work anyway.
 
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