Trump's approval with Republicans rose by 5 points after his racist tweets

I could literally use all the same arguments you're using.

He never mentioned race. He never said Jew. He would have said the same thing about anyone.

He didn't say he wanted them in ovens. He said they should go back and fix their countries they came from.

I don't agree that is a good or smart tweet. It was xenophobic, but not racist.

Calling everything one dislikes racist does everyone a disservice.
 
Single payer doesn't make government "the single provider". The actual providers remain, as now, largely private. Single payer means that the government runs health insurance. It's a system that works well in the rest of the developed world, at lower cost and with better outcomes.

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no it doesn't. SP eliminates insurance companies.. you've managed to get everything wrong in this conversation,
i'm not going to continue with your stupidity
 
Great.:) Will you continue working part time~when you feel like it??

yes, there are lots of proposals floating around, it is my hope that something comes about as IMHO our Med system is practically broke..........
of courae i'm going to continue work - "the devil is in the details"
 
He didn't say he wanted them in ovens. He said they should go back and fix their countries they came from.

I don't agree that is a good or smart tweet. It was xenophobic, but not racist.

Calling everything one dislikes racist does everyone a disservice.

Yes, we should not call something racist just because we don't like it. However, in this one particular case, it really was racism. And if you're going to say that he never mentioned race, then you could also say that in my hypothetical example, ethnicity is never mentioned. The point is that he used a racist trope.
 
We can also agree Trump is very good at shooting himself in the foot. That's the life of the modern day conservative. :palm:

Yep...... IMHO he should be running on the economy, not 4 freshman that have yet to complete a term... Tis a gamble..
 
He didn't say he wanted them in ovens. He said they should go back and fix their countries they came from.

I don't agree that is a good or smart tweet. It was xenophobic, but not racist.

Calling everything one dislikes racist does everyone a disservice.
We need to fix this country. The necessary first step is getting Trump out of the White House.

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We can also agree Trump is very good at shooting himself in the foot. That's the life of the modern day conservative. :palm:
No, that's what stupidity and a complete inability to control his mouth gets him.

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no it doesn't. SP eliminates insurance companies.. you've managed to get everything wrong in this conversation,
i'm not going to continue with your stupidity
You haven't been able to point out a single thing that I've gotten wrong. But you seem to have difficulty understanding what's involved.

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Yep...... IMHO he should be running on the economy, not 4 freshman that have yet to complete a term... Tis a gamble..
This economy isn't likely to last until 2020. He's already had to bail out farmers. Thousands of auto workers are out of work due to his tariffs, which also mean that he's abandoned free market economics, and retail stores across the country are closing.

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You haven't been able to point out a single thing that I've gotten wrong. But you seem to have difficulty understanding what's involved.
last time fuckwad

How the Nation’s Healthcare System Can Improve

The 2020 election is coming. And health insurers are worried.
https://fortune.com/2019/03/25/medicare-for-all-eliminate-private-insurance/
A groundswell of support for Medicare for All among prominent Democratic presidential contenders has spooked the industry, with some candidates professing the private health insurance sector may (and even should) eventually be tossed into the dustbin of history.

Sen. Bernie Sanders—author of a comprehensive Medicare for All bill—has never shied away from a fight with large corporations, and universal health care has long been one of his hobbyhorses. But candidates occupying a more centrist space in the Democratic Party, such as Sens. Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillibrand, and Cory Booker, have all cosponsored Sanders’s legislation.

The bulk of the Sanders bill would be paid for by a 7.5% payroll tax on employers and 4% from workers’ paychecks. The current system of Medicare and Medicaid would be scrapped and replaced with a significantly more generous program. Everyone in the United States would be covered, no opt in or out.

The big catch: You’d lose your current employer plan. “The Medicare for All bills proposed by Sanders … would effectively eliminate the role of private health insurance providers,” Larry Levitt, senior vice president for health reform at the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation, told Fortune in an interview. “The idea of eliminating an industry and companies that are this large is unprecedented.”

Under the plan, private insurers would be banned from competing with government coverage, relegating them to the role of selling supplemental insurance—table scraps compared with the $600 billion feast that private insurance is today.

Democratic politicians are finding themselves increasingly comfortable with that situation. Harris told CNN’s Jake Tapper, “Let’s eliminate all of that,” referring to the insurance industry (she later softened her stance). Gillibrand has called it an “urgent goal.”
 
last time fuckwad

How the Nation’s Healthcare System Can Improve

The 2020 election is coming. And health insurers are worried.
https://fortune.com/2019/03/25/medicare-for-all-eliminate-private-insurance/
A groundswell of support for Medicare for All among prominent Democratic presidential contenders has spooked the industry, with some candidates professing the private health insurance sector may (and even should) eventually be tossed into the dustbin of history.

Sen. Bernie Sanders—author of a comprehensive Medicare for All bill—has never shied away from a fight with large corporations, and universal health care has long been one of his hobbyhorses. But candidates occupying a more centrist space in the Democratic Party, such as Sens. Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillibrand, and Cory Booker, have all cosponsored Sanders’s legislation.

The bulk of the Sanders bill would be paid for by a 7.5% payroll tax on employers and 4% from workers’ paychecks. The current system of Medicare and Medicaid would be scrapped and replaced with a significantly more generous program. Everyone in the United States would be covered, no opt in or out.

The big catch: You’d lose your current employer plan. “The Medicare for All bills proposed by Sanders … would effectively eliminate the role of private health insurance providers,” Larry Levitt, senior vice president for health reform at the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation, told Fortune in an interview. “The idea of eliminating an industry and companies that are this large is unprecedented.”

Under the plan, private insurers would be banned from competing with government coverage, relegating them to the role of selling supplemental insurance—table scraps compared with the $600 billion feast that private insurance is today.

Democratic politicians are finding themselves increasingly comfortable with that situation. Harris told CNN’s Jake Tapper, “Let’s eliminate all of that,” referring to the insurance industry (she later softened her stance). Gillibrand has called it an “urgent goal.”
So what's the problem with that? You still haven't been able to point out anything that I got wrong. The U.S. is virtually unique in its dependence on private health insurance. And all we get for it is more cost and less actual health care.

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So what's the problem with that? You still haven't been able to point out anything that I got wrong.

Single payer doesn't make government "the single provider". The actual providers remain, as now, largely private. Single payer means that the government runs health insurance. It's a system that works well in the rest of the developed world, at lower cost and with better outcomes.
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POST #378 & the clip-it was racist & that is that as far as I am concerned... HE CAN'T DO HIS JOB OF BEING AN IMPARTIAL JUDGE BECAUSE OF HIS MEXICAN HERITAGE-TEXT BOOK.... not much else to say.:dunno:

Did you find the QUOTE where Ryan stated he was a never trumper?? I would like to read it... thanks

There’s actually quite a bit more to say.

As pointed out, the Mexican judge belonged to a Mexican advocacy group and it was because of *that* that Trump felt he should recuse on account of Trump’s intention to build a wall. Did Trump say Mexicans, generally, are unfit to be judges? No, that would actually be racist.

You can say Trump’s comments were stupid, or whatever, but you can’t say they were racist—because that ain’t racism. I don’t care how much the talking heads say otherwise.
 
This economy isn't likely to last until 2020. He's already had to bail out farmers. Thousands of auto workers are out of work due to his tariffs, which also mean that he's abandoned free market economics, and retail stores across the country are closing.

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I think trump's advisors have told him that as well~thus the pressure on the fed to do his bidding, & under threat they seem willing to comply..

What is sad is many of those folks, farmers as an example, still support him, eventhough they are taking it in the shorts as a result of his harebrained "great deals" aka taxes on Americans via tariffs..

IMHO all said, any presidents role in the market/economy is limited~those closing have more to do w/ market forces than tantrums in the wht house.. :dunno:
 
There’s actually quite a bit more to say.

As pointed out, the Mexican judge belonged to a Mexican advocacy group and it was because of *that* that Trump felt he should recuse on account of Trump’s intention to build a wall. Did Trump say Mexicans, generally, are unfit to be judges? No, that would actually be racist.

You can say Trump’s comments were stupid, or whatever, but you can’t say they were racist—because that ain’t racism. I don’t care how much the talking heads say otherwise.

Well that was debunked. It was a while ago, maybe you forgot-like you forgot that quote of Ryan saying he is a never trumper?? I won't ask again, but if you have it hand I would love to read it........:cool:

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The conservative website Redstate posted an op-ed rebuking Trump’s use of the California lawyers group as proof of Judge Curiel’s political motives. The writer, Leon Wolf, called the effort to disparage the association "dishonest."

"As far as I can tell, they appear to be a pretty garden variety special interest lawyers association," Wolf wrote. "Every state has these chapters for Hispanic lawyers, black lawyers, women lawyers, Mormon lawyers, Christian lawyers, Jewish lawyers -- you name it, there is a lawyer association for it in every state."

Our ruling

Trump said Curiel belonged to a group that is very strongly pro-Mexican. The California La Raza Lawyers Association does advance the interests of the Latino legal community and works on issues that matter in Latino communities more broadly.

However, it has stayed on the sidelines in the immigration debate. The one exception is one letter from a dozen years ago which objected to a television show on the grounds that the program encouraged people to enter the country without documentation. The group’s rare court filings focus on civil rights in general.

Trump’s statement is accurate only in the sense that the association’s mission aims to support Latinos, but even that is flawed because he said
the group was pro-Mexican and the Latino designation reaches a wider set of people. The claim ignores critical facts that would give a very different impression.
 
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