Trump sides with Putin over the CIA.

This is a political board so I know this is what we discuss but the man hasn't even taken office yet. Usually that when the judging starts.

We've had a whole campaign to assess his character. We can certainly judge him on that. It's not a good one. Parents don't know how to explain him to their children, and sometimes didn't even let their children watch the debates because of him. We have also been able to see his fairly relentless dishonesty & pettiness.

As for his actions since the election, we can definitely judge some of the rhetoric he has put out there, as well as the way he seems to be "testing" China. And, of course, we can judge his cabinet picks.
 
We've had a whole campaign to assess his character. We can certainly judge him on that. It's not a good one. Parents don't know how to explain him to their children, and sometimes didn't even let their children watch the debates because of him. We have also been able to see his fairly relentless dishonesty & pettiness.

As for his actions since the election, we can definitely judge some of the rhetoric he has put out there, as well as the way he seems to be "testing" China. And, of course, we can judge his cabinet picks.
I'm simply speaking about the he's a failure he's selling out his supporters talk before he's in office.
 
You and others have said it's not fair to judge him yet but I'm not buying that line of thought.

It's true I despise trump's character and personality but I also do not agree with the platform he campaigned on, the people he's picked so far, his nepotism and the lack of transparency about his businesses. None of these things are going to change after January 20.

If he sticks tightly to his promises (which is hard to believe given how many he's walked back so far), he's going to dismantle the Obama legacy and I can't support that... especially the ACA.

If he does a 180 and his new administration takes on a more liberal slant, I may like the results but it will also confirm that he's not to be trusted about what he says.

I want to see knowledge, steadiness, reliability and coolness under pressure, and those words aren't in the trump lexicon.

ACA was the worse piece of legislation in my life time. It cost my wife and family the best insurance we ever had and was the Number 1 reason I voted for Trump as we lost approximately 20 percent of our DISPOSABLE income and it could be worse with a bad cancer diagnosis. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid said fuck you to the working class with that legislation. I can honestly say it probably cost me 10 years of life span as we lost our doctor and a lot of coverage.
 
You and others have said it's not fair to judge him yet but I'm not buying that line of thought.

It's true I despise trump's character and personality but I also do not agree with the platform he campaigned on, the people he's picked so far, his nepotism and the lack of transparency about his businesses. None of these things are going to change after January 20.

If he sticks tightly to his promises (which is hard to believe given how many he's walked back so far), he's going to dismantle the Obama legacy and I can't support that... especially the ACA.

If he does a 180 and his new administration takes on a more liberal slant, I may like the results but it will also confirm that he's not to be trusted about what he says.

I want to see knowledge, steadiness, reliability and coolness under pressure, and those words aren't in the trump lexicon.
you say you despise him,so of course you are going to judge him now. That's on you.
I'm going to judge him by what he does -if I wanted to judge Obama's foreign policy but what he says -he's a smashing success "liberatng Libya"
he's obviously not,having sold out the Sunni states for a dubious Iran deal that left Iran unchecked,and the Sunni's doubting our reliability

words have little use beyond a temporary explanation. Long after the speeches are made, the actions speak for themselves
 
you say you despise him,so of course you are going to judge him now. That's on you.
I'm going to judge him by what he does -if I wanted to judge Obama's foreign policy but what he says -he's a smashing success "liberatng Libya"
he's obviously not,having sold out the Sunni states for a dubious Iran deal that left Iran unchecked,and the Sunni's doubting our reliability

words have little use beyond a temporary explanation. Long after the speeches are made, the actions speak for themselves
Remember when liberals told everyone to stop the hysteria about Obama and believe in hope and change and wait till he takes office?

They don't.
 
amazing .. and exactly my point.
It would seem that Podesta was extraordinarily arrogant, using a Gmail account and an easily breakable password. If he considered those emails to be so sensitive, then why didn't he even use rudimentary security to protect them?

As this article clearly shows, Podesta was targeted by Anonymous who wiped his iPhone and iPad. The dozy twat had asked his special assistant Erin Sepp in an email what his Apple ID was and within minutes he was attacked. Maybe somebody should be asking the question why the old fool was so stupid?

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article108086007.html

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Its fine with you that a foreign country meddled in our elections?? Wtf
So why didn't Podesta even utilise the most basic Internet security?

What allowed the hackers to target Podesta was a single email from the thousands WikiLeaks has published in the past week. In that May 16, 2015, correspondence between Podesta and Eryn Sepp, his former special assistant at the White House, Podesta asked whether Sepp knew his Apple ID, which would allow access to his Apple accounts and devices.

“I do,” she responded, listing his Gmail address and his password: Runner4567.

Within minutes of the posting of that batch of WikiLeaks emails Wednesday, Anonymous activists began exchanging queries. At 5:36 p.m. Germany time, one activist posted: “CAN we DO SOMetHING WITH AN APPLE ID?”

Moments later, another Anonymous hacker with the moniker 4Chan “had found Podesta’s Apple creds and logged in for first time,” Tait tweeted.

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Took about ~25 minutes from WL posting "part 5" emails before 4Chan had found Podesta's Apple creds and logged in for first time fyi.

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Less than two hours later, a hacker with the collective wrote: “GUYS I FUCKING REQUESTED PASSWORD RESET FROM TWITTER FOR JOHN PODESTA.”

Another hacker posted below that, “IF ANYONE IS ACCESSING HIS EMAILS, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SHITPOST ON HIS TWITTER.”

Later Wednesday evening, as Clinton landed in Las Vegas for a campaign event, a hacker got into Podesta’s Twitter account and tweeted in his name: “I’ve switched teams. Vote Trump 2016. Hi pol.”


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Apparently some asshole from anonymous compromised Podesta's Apple account using creds in WL dump and remotely wiped his phone. V cruel.

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Neither Podesta nor a spokesman for the Clinton campaign, Josh Schwerin, responded to emails asking for confirmation of the data loss.

Podesta, 67, is no innocent when it comes to security matters. A Georgetown University-educated lawyer, he served as the chief of staff to President Bill Clinton in the 1990s and as counselor to President Barack Obama in 2014 and 2015.

Apple allows a user who controls an account to remotely wipe clean any of his or her devices that may have been stolen or fallen into the wrong hands.

The Clinton campaign has protested the hack of some 20,000 internal emails from the Democratic National Committee as the handiwork of Russian government-backed hackers, an accusation that U.S. intelligence agencies supported last Friday. Those emails, along with Podesta’s personal emails, found their way into the hands of WikiLeaks.

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But Podesta’s travails Thursday did not come at the hands of sophisticated Russian state hackers. Rather, Podesta himself was apparently lax on basic computer security measures.

Like many computer users, he apparently did not use even minimal measures to thwart hackers, such as employing distinct passwords for different accounts or using two-step authentication, an extra layer of security in which a user receives an additional code as a mobile phone text message or by other means that is required before successfully logging on.

Security experts say reusing passwords facilitates the work of hackers.

“Every time you reuse that password somewhere else, its value drops 50 percent,” said Joe Siegrist, vice president of LastPass, a password management product of Logmein.com, a Boston-headquartered software and cloud management company.

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Yes I'm aware Petraeus was an Obama pick... back when Petraeus was pretending to be respectable and trustworthy while hiding his dirty little secret.

And if leaks from Hillary's server cost her the election, as many people and trump himself said, why would he even consider another leaker for a top position.... besides his rampant hypocrisy, that is.

She lost, he won. Today it becomes official. If you re able, try to see the differences between the two. It will assist you in moving beyond your morose misery.
 
it would be appropriate as an American to wish him well ( I did the same for Obama the first time -not the 2nd time after Libya) even if you don't like him/his politics.
I seriously wonder if we could ever rally together as a nation,like we've done throughout our history.
Partisanship should stop at the point it's destructive just to be oppositional.

I have serious concerns about his tweeting (impulse control) and the lack of experience. On the other hand he has an enormous support staff at the WH.
Give the man a chance -it's the right thing to do. Congress traditionally gives the first 100 days
 
Petraeus called. He wants to remind you of Obama's appointment as US Commander in Afghanistan, before picking him to head the CIA.

As far as leaking info while SoS, why it cost her the election, dinit.

at least he learned his lesson BEFORE being appointed to the cabinet....
 
it would be appropriate as an American to wish him well ( I did the same for Obama the first time -not the 2nd time after Libya) even if you don't like him/his politics.
I seriously wonder if we could ever rally together as a nation,like we've done throughout our history.
Partisanship should stop at the point it's destructive just to be oppositional.

I have serious concerns about his tweeting (impulse control) and the lack of experience. On the other hand he has an enormous support staff at the WH.
Give the man a chance -it's the right thing to do. Congress traditionally gives the first 100 days

Oh, how nice. You did the same for Obama. What a great example.

I'm sure you would have done the same for Hillary, too.

Maybe people don't want to rally together, anymore? Maybe unity is overrated?
 
Oh, how nice. You did the same for Obama. What a great example.

I'm sure you would have done the same for Hillary, too.

Maybe people don't want to rally together, anymore? Maybe unity is overrated?
Obama got the first 100 days - and yes I would have sucked it up and gave Hillary a chance ( and then probably gone after her).
It's what Americans do..at least before this crowd came along..

Podesta is blaming the Russians/Clinton is blaming the Russians/Comey/the electoral college -everyone but herself.
It's petty and not accurate. Clinton had no message except "Trump is bad". Get over it.
 
Obama got the first 100 days - and yes I would have sucked it up and gave Hillary a chance ( and then probably gone after her).
It's what Americans do..at least before this crowd came along..

Podesta is blaming the Russians/Clinton is blaming the Russians/Comey/the electoral college -everyone but herself.
It's petty and not accurate. Clinton had no message except "Trump is bad". Get over it.

Sorry, man - I'll never get over half of Americans foisting a simpleton, lying clown like Trump on me for 4 years - and bragging every day about it.

I'm tired of being right all the time. This was the same thing in 2000; I knew Bush was going to be a disaster. Never would have been elected mayor of a small town if not for his last name. And he got us into a 10 year war & crashed the economy.

Never again. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...well, won't get fooled again.
 
Sorry, man - I'll never get over half of Americans foisting a simpleton, lying clown like Trump on me for 4 years - and bragging every day about it.

I'm tired of being right all the time. This was the same thing in 2000; I knew Bush was going to be a disaster. Never would have been elected mayor of a small town if not for his last name. And he got us into a 10 year war & crashed the economy.

Never again. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...well, won't get fooled again.
I was a florida Gore voter. I was pissed too. I thought Shrub to be a simpleton-it was obvious that was going to be a Cheney administration.
But when the hanging chads stopped flying he was duly elected- and he got my support as an American.

It didn't last long I was vehemently opposed to Iraq ( remember those yellow ribbons of blind patriotism?)-
but at least I had concrete reasons to despise him by then.
Do what you want. I'm saying give him a chance before you go after him
 
WaPo is Clinton's attack dog, how can you trust anything they say on the matter?

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In the same way that you trust the sources that you do.

I ensure that what I'm trusting isn't coming from the one source .. and on this question, multiple sources report the same thing.
 
I was a florida Gore voter. I was pissed too. I thought Shrub to be a simpleton-it was obvious that was going to be a Cheney administration.
But when the hanging chads stopped flying he was duly elected- and he got my support as an American.

It didn't last long I was vehemently opposed to Iraq ( remember those yellow ribbons of blind patriotism?)-
but at least I had concrete reasons to despise him by then.
Do what you want. I'm saying give him a chance before you go after him

Why should I? And what difference does it make if I "give him a chance?"

I want the economy to do well. I'm not going to mourn if it does under him. I want peace - I don't want him to get into stupid wars just to see him brought down.

But he's a fool. I'm still as disgusted today as I was when he was declared the winner. This is an embarrassing time for me as an American, and I consider a low point for our country. I'm not going to pretend to rally around him when he's doing smarmy victory rallies w/ the same divisive rhetoric, and appointing hard-line right wingers & Goldman Sachs to his cabinet & playing some game of chicken with a country like China. Already, it's as bad as I would have imagined.
 
traitor?? where do come off with this stuff??
It's never what they say it's what they do that counts, and Trump STILL isn't president.
It's common to argue about intelligence agencies findings. Th article is dated the 16th and Trump is in Florida.

Long run it doesn't matter who's right or wrong on the intelligence; what is IMPORTANT is how we react.
I do not want SHORT TERM HYSTERIA over what we long ago knew/suspected was Russian hacking-
even if Trump is still questioning that.

I am waiting to SEE WHAT HE DOES..I do not know HOW MANY MORE times this needs to be said.

If he can find ways to get along with Russia who the hell cares if Putin hacked commercial servers?
That's what matters .


Both the Podesta and DNC accounts were commercial servers, hell..i'd EXPECT a hacking given Russian actors capabilities
It didn't change the election one bit for all this Democratic meme of influencing the election..despite
this hair on fire hysteria over much ado abut nothing

The cult is strong in you.
 
I'm simply speaking about the he's a failure he's selling out his supporters talk before he's in office.
Obama was criticized because his cabinet wasn't black enough, if I remember correctly. They also felt it didn't have enough women.
 
Why should I? And what difference does it make if I "give him a chance?"

I want the economy to do well. I'm not going to mourn if it does under him. I want peace - I don't want him to get into stupid wars just to see him brought down.

But he's a fool. I'm still as disgusted today as I was when he was declared the winner. This is an embarrassing time for me as an American, and I consider a low point for our country. I'm not going to pretend to rally around him when he's doing smarmy victory rallies w/ the same divisive rhetoric, and appointing hard-line right wingers & Goldman Sachs to his cabinet & playing some game of chicken with a country like China. Already, it's as bad as I would have imagined.
you keep missing the idea that whether you despise him or not ( and no that doesn't matter) -he is still duly elected-
and as an American it's a civic requirement ( i won't say civic duty) to at least hold the powder until he screws up.

By screwing up I mean an action -not a tweet, not a cabinet position. not even a rally.
If he's that gawd awful it will happen quickly -right?

Certain situations require one rising about partisanship for the good of the country.
I for one find it extremely troubling that modern day Americans don't understand this basic traditional concept-
or choose to ignore it. The logic is manifest. It's why losers congratulate the winners. it goes to collegiality -singleness of purpose.
 
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